We manage a local community beach house: many people with wet feet and lots
of sand walking in/out, and tables & chairs being moved around alot too.
The floor is painted wide-plank wood flooring and we cannot change that (bu
dget, aesthetics, etc). Typically we repaint the floors every 5+/- years a
nd this last time should have been sooner because the paint job peeled up v
ery fast. In the past, we've rented a floor buffer machine and used grit p
ads to roughen the surface before painting.
Can you recommend a VERY durable (commerical?) wood-floor paint?
All advice appreciated.
On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 1:39:28 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
ts of sand walking in/out, and tables & chairs being moved around alot too.
The floor is painted wide-plank wood flooring and we cannot change that (
budget, aesthetics, etc). Typically we repaint the floors every 5+/- years
and this last time should have been sooner because the paint job peeled up
very fast. In the past, we've rented a floor buffer machine and used grit
pads to roughen the surface before painting.
linoleum is cheap. durable and available in many colors
| Why do you H A V E to stick to paint? I can tell you right now there is
no paint that will withstand constant foot traffic and look like it's never
been walked on.
The question was not what to use. He's said 3
times that it needs to be paint because of budget
and aesthetics. The plan makes sense to me.
| Any paint that will withstand the abuse will likely cost as much as
| commercial linoleum, so it comes down to asthetics or the OP's
| personal preference. It's less Can't, and more Won't.
That's your opinion. I'd disagree. I'd expect the paint
to go $50-$100/gal, while linoleum might be $1,000 to get
installed on a similar area.
And aesthetics is not just a silly concern, so "won't" is
not stubbornness. (It might be for you, but this is not
your beach house.) We don't know what the beach house
looks like. I'm imagining something like one sees at public
beaches, a bare shack, perhaps painted gray. If it were
me I certainly wouldn't want linoleum on such a floor.
In any case, that's not for us to decide. The question
was about paint. The linoleum idea was suggested and
rejected. So that's out. Arguing that the OP is wrong is
just wiseacreing as a backseat driver, which is not helpful.
I don't know about commercial paints. There may
be some kind of industrial product available, but you'd
probably need to research that. Probably check at a
paint dealer that serves contractors. They may have
something like an industrial paint made for concrete
For regular paint, the best I know of is Benj Moore
oil base, urethane reinforced floor and deck enamel.
(Or maybe it's "porch and deck".). It's very tough. But
when it peels it's hard to scrape because the film is
I've just been looking at something from Sherwin
Williams. I've forgotten the name but it's a new formulation
of water-base that they claim is extremely durable and
will even fill in small cracks. Sort of a thick sealant coat.
They make fancy claims about "cross linking" structure.
It looks interesting, but there's no way of knowing whether
such a new product will really be good.
One thing is certain: If you use any normal water-base
acrylic or latex it won't hold up. It's no good on floors in
the first place, and water exposure will destroy it much
faster. So you're left with the limited selection of oil
based paints, most of which have been degraded into
less durable products due to reformulation to meet fume
On 04/10/2015 12:39 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I was in the industrial battery business and we'd typically coat the
floors in battery rooms with epoxy paint.
It held up very well in an industrial environment so in a beach house it
should work great.
| I was in the industrial battery business and we'd typically coat the
| floors in battery rooms with epoxy paint.
| It held up very well in an industrial environment so in a beach house it
| should work great.
I was thinking about that, too. I once did railings
in a condo development where the owners had got
an epoxy paint. I never found out what the stuff was.
It went on thick and created a nice shell for the
pipes used in the condo deck railings. But I did it
in hot weather and was only getting about 15 minutes
out of a batch. That's one notable limitation with
epoxy: One can ruin a lot of work before getting just
the right mix and figuring out how long the open time
will be in a particular scenario.
I've noticed that there's also such a thing as
"one part epoxy" paint lately. I have no idea whether
it's any good. It sounds to me like a misuse of the
word epoxy for marketing.
It is legitimate, but can be misleading. You think of epoxy as a two
part chemical reaction substance. The so called one part epoxy paints
have an epoxy based filler in them. I guess you can grind iron to a
powder add it to the liquid and call it iron paint.
| It is legitimate, but can be misleading. You think of epoxy as a two
| part chemical reaction substance. The so called one part epoxy paints
| have an epoxy based filler in them. I guess you can grind iron to a
| powder add it to the liquid and call it iron paint.
That doesn't sound legitimate to me. The power of
epoxy seems to be in the polymer chains created during
curing, as it is with paint, for that matter. But grinding
up top quality lead paint and putting the powder into a
can of KMart latex paint is not going to make a high
quality paint. :)
I have the same question, and it is a question that has recently come up in
another forum for rental property owners. The general consensus seems to be
that most "porch and floor paint" products by various manufacturers just do
not hold up well when painting wood porches, floors, stairs, etc.
I just did a quick Google search and here's one link that came up:
It is not much of an article, but here are a few things that it mentioned:
1) Roughing up the surface before repainting (of course).
2) Using a shellac-based primer for areas that are very worn and that need
3) Consider using an alkyd or oil-based paint instead of latex enamel for
possible better wear (they downplayed that idea, but am interested in that
option since latex based enamel doesn't seem to do very well in my opinion).
I would be interested in knowing what others think about that last option --
using alkyd or oil-based paint instead of latex enamel porch and floor
| 1) Roughing up the surface before repainting (of course).
And wash, with very hot TSP solution, or non-sudsing
ammoniaif you can't get TSP -- something without soap
| 2) Using a shellac-based primer for areas that are very worn and that need
Never use shellac outside. And even inside it's mainly
used for sealing. For adhesion you want a penetrating
primer, preferably with linseed oil if it's exterior.
| 3) Consider using an alkyd or oil-based paint instead of latex enamel for
| possible better wear (they downplayed that idea, but am interested in that
| option since latex based enamel doesn't seem to do very well in my
| I would be interested in knowing what others think about that last
| using alkyd or oil-based paint instead of latex enamel porch and floor
I would never use latex/acrylic outside on horizontal
surfaces. It simply doesn't resist water. It's also soft
and tends to peel in a film. I avoid latex for anything but
walls and siding stain. But the options are limited
The whole issue has become a big problem. Good quality
oil paints are being phased out faster than the technology
can keep up.
I used to use urethane reinforced oil-base deck paint
for steps and decks. I also used oil paint for trim and siding.
In the 80s they came out with oil-base "stain", which will
mostly wear off rather than peeling. So I switched to that
where I could. It saves a lot of scraping down the line.
Solid oil-base deck stains were also pretty good. That's what
I have on my deck now. They don't last as long as paint,
but they're easy to re-apply, while urethane reinforced paint
is very hard to scrape.
More recently solid oil-based stains and deck stains are
being phased out. The latex solid stains, while good enough
for siding, are useless on steps and decks. They just wear
away within a year. So there isn't any ideal solution. On
my deck I'll probably try to hunt down another gallon of
Cabot's solid oil deck stain for the next coat. After that?
I'll be tempted to try some new "high-tech" solution like
the new Sherwin Williams deck products. The problem with
those, though, is that they're simply unproven. I can't afford
to have people calling me back on jobs because their deck
paint slid off the deck in a sheet and landed in the driveway.
(I actually remember a case like that in an article in
Fine Homebuilding back in the 90s. California had set new
paint regulations. A contractor used the new paint on a
bathroom wall. The customer called back a few days later
to say the paint had fallen off. The contractor assumed
they meant it was peeling. But no, it was sitting on the
floor like a length of curled-up wallpaper. :) Current paint
technology is not much better than that. Acrylic paints
are better than ever, but they're not *good* in the ways
that oil paint was good. Meanwhile, the oil paints still
available have mostly been downgraded -- thinner and
softer than the older versions.
The entire building industry is faced with changes that
are just happening too fast and may not all be good.
Remember sprayed polyurethane insulation? It was the cat's
pajamas 20-30 years ago for filling attic areas. Then it turned
out the stuff gave off formaldehyde. When I come across it now
there's also another problem: With age it gradually breaks
down into a pile of very fine, choking dust. Yet spray insulation
is the new must-have approach for new building. Will it work
out? There's no way to know. Even if it turns out OK, I wonder
about electricians trying to snake new wires later, in a house
where every gap inside the wall has been filled with hard foam.
If I were building a deck for myself now I'd probably test-try
the new Sherwin Williams product. If I had a more finished
porch, with a roof, I might use the urethane-reinforced oil
paint. I couldn't recommend anything else. But with that paint
you may be cursing 10-15 years later, when your steps or
porch look like a relief map of different scraped layers.
Even though the OP said "community beach house", I think he meant an indoor
floor made of wood planks, not an outdoor deck etc. And, in my case, I am
mostly interested in what to use to paint indoor hardwood floors that have
already been painted in the past.
No one seems to have a specific answer for that question. Personally, I
just plain don't know the answer.
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