listening to r adio with caution

In the past years I tossed two pair of worn socks and maybe two pair of worn underwear. Counting a couple of winter jackets, I may own 80 pounds, that leather jacked is hefty. I've had it about 10 years already.

I have no idea about unsold clothing that is tossed, that could be be poor decisions by the fashion industry.

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Many top end stoves have electric ovens and gas burners. Electric Ovens hold a more accurate temperature, good for baking.

I prefer gas burners. My last house had electric but after a year, I had propane put in and a gas stove. I have gas here and prefer it. I heat my naan bread right over the flame. Been years, but I've toasted marshmallows over gas flame too.

I've not tried it so have no opinion. I do know I'd miss using my copper cookware though. Can't beat it for some uses.

I do have a Woll aluminum pan that has a plate sandwiched in it for induction. Works great on gas but have not tried induction.

Yeah, you can't toast marshmallows over an electric stove (afaik).

The guy on the radio did say a little bit about induction ovens, but I was driving and trying to find someplace, and he'd already said it by the time I heard those words.

I've got some I should toss. I'm not sure why but I have several shirts with frayed collars. I experimented with turning them but without a sewing machine that's a lot of work. I also have some that ware worn through at the right elbow. I've converted a few to short sleeve shirts with iron on hemming tape.

I do think washing clothes does shorten their life. Years ago when business casual wasn't as casual as in my current job I had a laundry do my shirts. At the time an Arrow or Van Heusen shirt was around $15. I read an article about how much the shirt would cost factoring in the laundry bill during its life.

My ex and I were reminiscing about the electric stove we had. The wiring was faulty so it floated above ground. I would lean against the sink and pat her on the ass while she was cooking, getting a little extra charge. Maybe one of the reasons she's been my ex for close to 50 years. Poor woman is pretty much under house arrest in NYC.

"Now when I was young I took me a wife But she never took to the high country life So now I'm alone I don't really mind But her name echoes down form the canyon sometimes"

'Me and the Eagle' Steve Earle

He wrote the song for 'The Horse Whisperer'. I watched the movie waiting for the song to find out they didn't use it although it's on the sound track CD.

Are you aware that there are women who will not wear outdated fashions? Every year they buy new clothes four times (spring, summer, fall, winter) and the next year they get rid of them.

Cindy Hamilton

I hang out with the wrong crowd. If the average is 80 pounds, there have to be some tossing much more to offset the more practical people. I'm sure they exist but I don't know anyone that radical.

Well, if my clothes are completely worn out I toss them. Socks and underwear mostly. But otherwise when I am finished with them I take them to the Salvation Army. I saw something several years ago about somebody that buys Salvation Army rejects, stuff even they can't sell, and sends it to third world countries where they are willing to take worn clothes apart and remake them. That way the Salvation Army still gets some good out of my worn out clothes.

Bill

I'm somehwat aware of that.

Every year, wow! And not wearing the same thing in spring and fall, when the temperatures are the same**.

But they give them to thrift stores like Goodwill, right? I heard about one person who wasn't aware you could or should do that, but surely that's rare. Even people with a lot of money gave/give their old clothes to their maids and gardeners, don't they?

I dont' think they're counting clothes used by someone else, only what is destoyed or goes to landfills.

And this would be another example of why it's a mistake to say "the average America", and should say "Americans on average" or maybe "American women on average".

I remember what the 3rd thing was, maybe more reasonable than the other two:

Another show I heard on C-span a couple nights ago was about Food during the Depression -- I can't find the book or author -- but she said that farm people knew how to use leftovers, but middle income city people, who were now poor, didn't know how -- that's hard to imagine too -- and they would broadcast on the radio recipes to use with leftovers. I guess I'm biased, because my grandparents were poor, at least they started out poor (They were doing fine when I met them but I never knew if that was because they made some money, or because my father or uncles gave them a big boost.) and my mother learned from her mother, but our primary way of using leftovers was to eat them straight, no recipe involved. So I'd like to talk to the author and learn more about this. She mentioned Clara's Kitchen, which she might have said was a radio show.

But fall colors are not the same as spring colors.

Maybe. Of course that's offset by the huge numbers of donations that thrift stores can receive but cannot sell because people will donate raggedy old crap that no one would consider buying. The big outfits like the Goodwill probably connect to the schmutter trade, but small shops might not have the resources to do anything but put the stained old rags in the trash.

Cindy Hamilton

What electric stoves were like at the dawn of introduction, isn't relevant. Electric stoves have had continuous adjustment for 50 years. And if you can't see what the dial is set to on an electric stove to know the output, just like seeing a flame with gas, you need glasses.

And, please, no white after Labor Day. :-)

I think it was 60 Minutes that did a story quite a few years ago about what happens to the clothes we Americans donate to charity every year. As I recall, some is put out on display for resale, more gets dumped into large cardboard bins and shipped overseas, and even more goes straight to the landfill.

Of the stuff that gets sent overseas, they traveled to a couple of those destinations and found the large cardboard bins had been left out in the weather, allowing everything to get wet and moldy after a time. Pulling out some samples from the bins, they found political t-shirts for candidates who had lost their campaigns and Superbowl jerseys declaring the losing team to be the winner.

Fair enough, although seeing the dial doesn't guarantee the burner has achieved that setting.

Cooking rice on an electric stove has always been a two-burner operation for me. Bring it to a boil on one burner, then transfer it to another burner at a lower setting.

I can cook a good meal on anything from a campfire to a fancy induction burner. But my favorite tool is a gas cooktop.

Cindy Hamilton

There is one big difference in the electric and gas. Most of the electric stoves are the 'bang bang' heat. That is the burners cycle off and on so you get an average temperature. Gas puts out the same heat all the time for on given setting of the dial.

I always assumed it was because their weight changed so much

OTOH gas is one hot ring and relatively cool everywhere else. that is why pro chefs keep the pan moving. Most home cooks are not willing to be there doing that. As for Cindy's problem, turn down the heat before the water boils and let carry over heat do the final boil. You do have to be paying attention tho.

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And you don't when using the microwave.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you aren't cooking the rice, just heating it.

For everyone else, that last is another of Fretwell's pig ignorant stupiditys.

It's no longer a problem, since we replaced the electric range with gas about 20 years ago.

I'm usually multitasking in the kitchen, so it's more efficient to wait for the boil than to guess when it's going to happen.

Cindy Hamilton

You don't have to guess. There's an app for that. You enter the amount of water, the size of the pot, the setting of the knob and the temp you want, and it figures out how long and beeps when the time comes. It's great.