Keeprite 2 stage High efficiency furnace price?

[elkhaze]

I live in small 2 story 1400 sqft house in Toronto Ontario. My Coolman furnace blower died out and I am getting it replaced. I am also replacing my 1.5 ton Lennox Central Air Condition as well, it is working fine, but I think it is cheaper to replace both Furnace and AC together.

I got a quote for both Furnace and Central AC installed for:

Keeprite 2 Stage High Efficiency 92% Furnace 75000 BTU for $2600 including GST (model IIS 90)

Ameristar (American Standard) 1.5 ton 13 SEER with coil for $1900 include GST

5 Years Parts and Labour Included on both units.

Also I can deffer payment for 1 year no cost.

All funds are in Canadian dollars, as of August 2007

Please let me know if I am getting a good deal, or I am being ripped off?

[RichK]

You're getting ripped off by at least $1900, because you're replacing perfectly good A/C. It should not make a diff to the installer. If he told you otherwise, get another one.

Even if your old A/C is Very low efficiency, in Ontario you'll never recover the cost of new one, based on savings.

RichK

[elkhaze]

Thanks

My AC was manufactured in 1988, this is the reason I thought to replace it as well.

[RichK]

In my neighborhood (in Midwest) there are several A/C units that date back to early 1970's - still working fine. The SEER rating may be 10, or a bit below, but they are simple to fix and don't crash every time there's a storm somewhere on the East Coast :-)

The only pocketbook that suffers, is the one of the con artists that have not sold them are replacement.

RichK

[<kjpro]

At those prices you&#39;re getting bent over and f***ed!!!!!

By a low bidding hack!!!!!

BTW, there isn&#39;t a "model IIS90" in the KeepRite line.

[<kjpro]

It&#39;s to bad, you&#39;re to ignorant to understand that a new unit could have paid for itself.

[elkhaze]

This is the IIS 90 model from Keeprite website

Some websites refere to it as C9MPT What would be a resonable prices for this Furncance installed? How about the 1.5 ton Ameristar AC 13 Seer? For another $150, I can get the 2 ton Ameristar AC 13 SEER, Do you think it is better to get a slightly oversized? I hear it is the same coil for the 1.5 ton and 2 ton AC.

[RichK]

Maybe in Florida or Arizona, but in places where you use it honestly for 2-4 weeks a year? The OP is from Toronto. You must have flunked a math course, somewhere along the lines.

[yourname]

yeah but.......a 19 year old AC is at the end of its design life, and it will get increasingly pricey to repair as it gets to the bitter end. If a new furnace is going in it is the good time to do AC. Although electricity is cheap in Canada, how long would you bet it will stay that way? I would price high efficiency units, online pricing as a guide tells me that a 16 seer unit is hundreds more, and while it may not pay back at todays prices, it might at the prices 3 years from now.

[elkhaze]

I usually run my Central AC from End of May until somewhere end of September. [We do get some cold days in May and June, so I would say May/June I keep it on for 15 days] So my guess is upgrading from I think SEER 8 to SEER 13 would reduce AC electricity usage by at least 30% which is roughly $100-$150 for the season.

Electricity is not that cheap anymore. It is about 0.10 per KW

[RichK]

Have to differ with you on "pricy to rapair" - older systems are cheaper to repair. And if the comressor goes -well, that&#39;t the time to spend moeny. A/C not being a critial item, you can replace it when needed.

There&#39;s no way to tell if this guy is saving anything from having A/C put it in with furnace. The two systems only share some space where the coil sits. Maybe some sheetmetal work is saved, but that&#39;s small change.

In fact if he does it in off-season, he may save more. A/C systems are impossible to compare, from one unit to another and one contractor to another.

You simply get a new one, when you need one. All the savings from efficiency are under ideal conditions and few people realize, what the brochure or salesman claims. If you work in the business, you know that very well.

I&#39;m glad there are people here who work on HVAC, but most tend to be biased to selling you all they can. It makes their pocket a bit heavier that way.

RichK

[yourname]

Your points are taken, but not just the salesguy think it is worth considering.

[<kjpro]

Any competent HVAC tech knows that your post above is completely false!

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