First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a <fill in the blank insult>
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell
So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!
Yeah, the best thing is how much this is pissing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...
BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...
Although I may disgree with many of the regular posters about DIY
initiative, I have to say that, insults aside, these guys often provide
great information for absolutely nothing in return. It's called
"something for nothing" and it's not in the homeowner's (or anyone's)
place to judge it.
With only a couple of months on this newsgroup, I now have a very
comfortable home with equipment that is running and performing like
some top end system for only a third of that cost. I have learned
about and installed the Fanhandler (a variable-speed controller with
automatic sensors that is just awesome) and Humidifier with automatic
control, and I have avoided the hassles/costs/problems with different
air cleaning solutions. I have even learned enough to offer the
occasional advice myself, making me feel like a bit of a smarty--if
only for a moment (until my wife reminds me otherwise).
And I've quickly realized what a waste of time it must have been to
even read my initial posts--yet many still did. Thanks...
What can one expect from people who can't even read that this is
alt.home.repair, and may have home repair questions from home owners.
I suggest using professionals when called for in certain situations. But
there are a huge number of things that the average Joe can do, get the job
done right, and save a lot of money.
Those who want to keep their secret societies and literati intellect are
welcomed to do so, but they are a dying breed. DIYers are here to stay, and
those who want to still call in someone else and pay too much are here to
So, the parasites and scavengers will always be with us, too.
Except that many of the boors who responded with profanity to my
well-intentioned question specifically said that they have no
intention of "wasting" their time on helping homeowners for
free. Pretty contrary to the spirit of any other newsgroup I have
frequented... Again, no one has any obligation to provide advice --
free or otherwise; however, as supposed human beings on a public
forum, I think everybody has the obligation to treat posters civilily
and without crude profanity, particularly if the poster has done nothing
egregious to justify such a welcome.
Be careful if you do not possess some xeroxed piece of paper from a 2-bit
technical school, the alt.hvac police will attack you for doing an
"illegal"/"dangerous"/"cheap" etc. install...
But all kidding aside, you seem to be a decent person -- if only more
of the newsgroup regulars had your attitude...
I think everybody has the obligation to treat posters civilily
What is profanity? Or crude for that matter? If your such a Fop.. You
don't have to read our posts.. In fact as a free person .. You have the
total freedom to go elsewhere. But it does appear that your selfish
enough to try and curb our free speech for you own idea's of how one
must comport ones self. I take it that your a failure at home thus you
try to regain your self respect by acting like a big man and bully in
this NG. Most of us are hard working folks and Veterans that have paid
our dues.. And just what are your qualifications? You want to play the
my dick is bigger then you dick game.. That puts you in the 13 year old
classification. This group is targeted toward the folks in HVAC...
Others are welcome to join us within certain limits.. And all your doing
is providing entertainment for our sharpshooters club! ;-p
Which, as those who so enjoy sniping at the knuckle dragging subset of
alt.hvac regulars would contend, really sums up the odd dynamic of
those folks (including yourself).
So it's ironic for you to go to this argument.
And likewise--for those of us on the periphery, reminded of your
erudite banter via cross posts to other groups--realy enjoy taking the
bullies down a notch.
But as the old saying goes, you can't teach horse sense to a jackass,
(but you can reduce them to replying to a lot of posts with "blow me"
and "f off").
I find it interesting that you snipped most of that very reasonable
post! You wanta play Meow... I am certainly up to it.
Todd H. wrote:
Heh! Heh! I was trolling for a Moron and Damned if I didn't snag you! ;-p
What argument? Are those little drug induced voices talking to you
Shaat! This like shooting catfish in a Barrel,, ;-D By the way I don't
crosspost... But I can if you like. I can even place you email address
in some interesting lists.
Sooooo... What you are saying is that you like to horse around with
Jackasses..e.i Bluefaggotman.. Well birds of a feather fuu..errr..
Flock together! ;-/
Hmmmm? I suggest that you provide a link to such posts from me.
I did leave in Homegroaners addee, as you put it there.. Kepp dicking
arounjd and I can add a few of my own. And I am just passing by. ;-p
p> total freedom to go elsewhere. But it does appear that your selfish
You have the freedom to use profanity and I have the freedom to point
out how boorish and uncivilized you folks are -- especially for people
who spend all their time talking about how "professional" they are...
Please explain how you deduce the above from my pointing out how rude
it is to respond to a well-intentioned question with invective and
profanity? Peraps, I am just too stupid to follow your HVAC powers of
Really, I suppose asking a question politely and humbly, including
specifically stating my willingness to engage a professional if the
issue is beyond the scope of DIY classifies as a "dick game".
With all this mention of "dicks", "blow me", "suck my asshole", etc.,
either you folks are so insecure that you feel threatened by even the
average DIY'er or you are all latent homosexuals.
This group is a public open USENET group. All are welcome.
I think I am the one being entertained. It is not often you can get
people so pissed off by just showing up...
Ooooooh -- I am so scared.... and those barbs they shoot really
hurt... Your "sharpshooters" are so mentally sharp that the only
bullets they can shoot are "blow me". Now that really injures my ego.
On the other hand, I know by the fact that I am inducing such
hate-filled responses that I am hitting VERY close to home with my
claims about being underemployed, unprofessional, and generally
unskilled both relative to high quality HVAC companies and other
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