Who uses one? Do they require a Cat 5 cable? How many people's
schedule can you set the temps for?
My sister and her two kids moved in with me.
My nephew is in school and it would be nice to warm the house in the
morning for him, but his come home time is different. He has a smart
phone and enough sense to use it.
My niece has a pretty regular work schedule. She also has a smart
phone and also enough sense to use it.
My sister doesn't have a smart phone and wouldn't know how to turn one
on if she had one. Just kidding, but she can barely run the two
remotes for the TV. Her schedule also changes the most. It would be
nice if it had a computer interface was brain dead easy.
My schedule is pretty much open 24/7.
I remember a few years ago I looked into internet-compatible
What I found is that they didn't allow for direct communication between
you and them over the local lan or the internet.
Instead what they do is communicate with a hard-coded server (owned /
operated by the company that makes them) and you have to set up an
account on that company's server in order to access and interact with
If you're an iSlave fan-boi, then you would probably salivate over this:
===========Nest Learning Thermostat 2nd Generation
Programs itself. Control from anywhere
The Nest Learning Thermostat 2nd Generation remembers what temperatures
you like, turns itself down when you're away, and can be controlled over
Wi-Fi from your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Mac. Nest's Energy History
shows you when your system was on and why, the Nest Leaf tells you when
youre saving energy, and the monthly Energy Report shows you trends in
your energy use and tips to save more.
Don't know why they gave it the gay name "Nest Learning Thermostat".
It was first offered for sale a few years ago - then discontinued. I
guess they brought it back with this 2'nd generation version.
They are horrendously expensive and you will never recoup the savings
given today's low prices for natural gas.
If you heat with electricity, then your first priority should be to
change over to natural gas.
Based on your convoluted household schedule, use an ordinary
programmable thermostat and set it to 70f at 7 am, setback to 65f at 9
am, back to 70f at 4 pm, and back down to 65f at 11 pm.
Even cheap thermostats allow for 4 temperature settings per day (wake,
leave, return, sleep).
There are other reasons for them, other than saving a few cents. I'm
seriously thinking about buying one for our other house. It would be
nice to turn the heat on, on the few freezing days we get. This time
of year (until mid-January) it likely won't get cold enough to freeze
pipes but it's possible. It would also be nice to have the house
warmed up when we get there.
What kind of boob are you?
First of all, my idea of a "vacation" house is a house that I have to
turn the AC on instead of the furnace. Because my idea of a vacation is
to go to a place that's warmer then where I am.
Second, is it really that much of a hardship to "suffer" through a few
hours of warm-up (or cool-down) at your vacation home once you get
there? I mean, how often do you go on vacation? A few times a year, or
every other week?
You're the clueless one.
The OP was looking for a way to control his home-heating system in the
most fuel-efficient way possible given the new configuration of his
household and the timetables of it's occupants.
If the OP wasn't concerned about fuel costs, then he would just set his
thermostat to 72F constantly and would have no interest in a new control
But since he is seeking a more complicated control system, he is
therefore concerned about heating costs, and that's why I mentioned
right off the top that he would realize the most fuel savings by
converting to natural gas if he was currently using electric heat.
Just because your idea of a vacation is limited to warm places
doesn't mean that's what everyone does. Try picking up a
copy of ski magazine for example. And I would think even
you could realize that the scenario applies just as well to a
vacation house that requires the AC to be turned on.
The OP gave a perfect example of a situation where people
come home at varying times, so it would be desirable if they
could turn up the HVAC shortly before returning. Not that
hard to grasp, at least for everyone else here.
Why should anyone come home to a cold house when they
don't have to? Clowns like you made similar arguments when
they moved from out houses to indoor plumbing. You still use
an outhouse up there?
He was looking for a way to turn up the heat prior to arrival for
households where arrival time varies. Those of us in the real
world experience this all the time. For example, I arrive back at
the airport. The house has been set back to 50 for a week.
I'd prefer to push a button on my phone when the plane lands
so I have a warm house when I get home. Really simple
concept, except for jerks like you who can't comprehend
a modern lifestyle.
which does not apply to a vacation home which would not need several
temperature changes to be made each day so I don't know why you even
brought up the vacation-house example.
There's desirable and there's fantasty, practicality, cost/benefit and
Any house that's constantly inhabited on a daily basis will not decline
very much in temperature compared to your vacation-house example, and
wouldn't take much to reach the desired temperature upon arrival of the
inhabitants and they manually set the thermostat.
How much are they willing to pay for this conveinence?
And if they forget to use it 50% of the time, then your cost/benefit
really goes out of whack.
I never made any such claims about indoor plumbing. Stop arguing from
Why was he looking to do that?
Why that, instead of just setting his house to a constant 72F?
Why did you not quote that part of my last post? Why did you delete
that observation of mine and not respond directly to it?
Again, you selective-deleting coward, he wants to save as much money as
possible on heating costs. That's why I suggested he be using natural
gas if he's using electric heat.
Most of us don't live alone.
Is the average person going to spend $250 for a thermostat where a few
times a year he can come home to a warm (or cool) house - assuming he's
gone either in the summer or winter?
A fool can understand the concept.
You obviously can't understand or model the typical use-case,
ergonomics, and cost/benefit for the "average" person or household.
On 11-07-2012 08:40, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Because I'd rather keep my coat on for an extra twenty minutes with my
ten-dollar thermostat than pay hundreds for the ability to hang it up
(Actually, I hang it up immediately anyway. 65Β°F is not particularly
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 05:09:09 -0800 (PST), " email@example.com"
Crap. I warm my house up *TO* 65F. I generally don't touch it
anymore but when I was in Vermont the thermostat was set to 58F night
and weekdays and 65 in the morning and evening. Here I just set it to
65F and leave it (heat pump). Actually, I think the upstairs is set
to 62. My fingers are getting cold. ;-)
Absolutely. It would cost me a fortune, too, because the resistive
heat would kick on.
I'm seriously thinking about one of the WiFi thermostats for the house
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 05:15:52 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
It would have to be pretty expensive not to pay for itself when it
emails you that the temp in your house is falling below the margin you
set for it. So you can go to, or send someone to it to drain the
pipes before they burst-- or fix whatever is wrong with your heating
Your point is of no consideration.
Because even the simplest, cheapest thermostats (mechanical or
electronic) have failsafe low-temp settings where the thermostat will
turn on the furnace if the temperature gets that low regardless what
your other settings are.
Anyone who has a vacation house in a cold-climate location that doesn't
have their furnace turn on at say 45F - 55F is a boob. It doesn't take
a $250 internet-enabled thermostat to keep the pipes from freezing at
your vacation property when you're not there.
Clueless as ever. How about the more likely scenario, which is
that the furnace has failed to start up because it has run out of
fuel or has a clogged nozzle? Will the simplest, cheapest thermostat
connect via the internet or phone and alert you?
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