On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
That looks like it is supposed to get a plug. Your "legal" answer is
to install a receptacle in a cabinet or somewhere out of sight, put a
plug on it and plug it in.
"cords" used as permanent wiring and "cords" concealed in the wall.
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 2:31:47 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrot
d enough to cause more confusion that I expected. As I mentioned, I'm a me
chanical guy so I'm not familiar with electrical terms and I only remember
basic stuff from school like P=VI.
onto corresponding existing wires inside the wall. This is what I mean't b
y "behind an existing 20amp outlet".
ocumentation, but it may or may not be "rated for 15amp circuits".
s, I found a spec that says "Power: 5.3W". Not sure what that means.
from the outside.
I'd wire it in as you suggested. As long as the connections are
inside the box the receptacle is in and the max number of wires,
ie fill of the box isn't exceeded, I don't see a problem with it.
The LED panel is definitely rated for a 15amp circuit. Basically, I am not sure if it is ok to run it on a 20amp circuit, and with the wiring method I drew in the diagram.
My questions were:
1) Is it to code?
2) Is it safe?
3) If I wire it to the 20A circuit, does that mean I'm supplying 120V 20A to it?
4) What happens if I supply 20A, when it's only rated to receive up to 15A?
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 4:43:28 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It is OK. The only possible code issue was what Don brought up, ie that
kitchens are supposed to have 20A circuits reserved for receptacles for
appliances and it's probably a code violation to hook up a dedicated
light circuit. But this is a 15W LED and it really doesn't have a
material effect on the availability of 20A at the receptacles. And that
is a new requirement, I don't think it would apply to circuits installed
prior to when the new 20A requirement went into effect.
As long as you wire it in at the box with the receptacle, you're OK.
Only other possible issue would be not exceeding the wire fill capacity
of the box.
No, the circuit is rated at 20A max, you're supplying it ~ 125ma, assuming
it's really 15W. Whatever it is, it's an LED and insignificant.
On 2/24/2016 11:31 AM, email@example.com wrote:
There's nothing technically wrong with what you are trying to do.
But, there are LEGAL issues.
I use the term "LEGAL" not because I can point to a statute.
You may end up in court if someone is hurt or your house burns down.
Depending on where you live, there are codes and standards with which you
I'm not an electrician and what I'm about to say may not use the correct
terms or be precisely correct, but you'll get the gist...
If your fuse/breaker is 20A, EVERYTHING in the walls has to be able to
handle that current. In the USA, that typically means 12 gauge wire
of a type approved for that purpose.
You can't just "splice" wires in the wall. You have to put the splices
in an approved electrical box using approved splicing methods.
Normally, you'd add a new electrical box at the light and run a wire
all the way to the existing outlet box and put splices inside each box.
You'd have to get an electrical permit and have the work inspected when
Depending on where you live, your transgression may never
be discovered and enforcement may be non-existent.
May not be a problem until you try to sell the house and are
required to bring the electrical up to code.
But, if anybody ever gets hurt, even after you sell the house,
the ambulance-chasers might
have a field day assigning guilt.
I have several projects I'd like to do where the cost of doing
right exceeds the perceived benefit. I resist those temptations
to do it easy.
One more (hopefully last) clarification:
The diagram I drew is actually incorrect. I was planning on placing the orange splice connections INSIDE the green box, not outside.
Is that code-compliant and/or safe?
I wish I had known someone who does such great work before I put together a few things for our house.
I really enjoy seeing such great "handwork" in this era of mass production of almost everything that touches our lives.
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