Idling laws in the US

Feb 25, 2024 Last reply: 2 years ago 87 Replies

I hear that most of the wear of an engine is on start up as oil drains from top to reservoir and lubrication is important. Also with all these start stops you will have to beef up the starter so it does not wear faster. I also hear on new cars with this feature you can turn it off and probably depending on car it can remain set or you have to do it every time you drive.

IMHO the biggest offenders of idling are government workers. We have all seen police sitting around in their cars for lengthy periods with the engine running. With today's electronics the excuse of needing to run the engine for them is probably not true.

Once walking in the park I came across a project were there were 6 county vehicles, one with an operator and the other five idling with guys standing around. When I told one that they were wasting gas the guy told me, yeah and you are paying for it - really.

All that has been taken care of. It is a complete system with a different starter, not just beefed up. Oil is not a problem.

No, if you want to turn it off, it has to be done every time. EPA regulations call for that. There are ways around it, one as simple as putting a bread clip in the slot where the switch it.

I've heard (not verified) that the auto stop/start is deactivated while pulling a trailer. Maybe a dummy load on the trailer light receptacle?

Years ago the local police would leave their cars running while they went into the food place to eat lunch. Not sure if they still do or not. One city policeman told me that he got behind a man that was going about

10 mph over the 35 mph speed limit and decided to pull him over. When he turned on the blue light the man was in a 45 mph speed zone and speeded up about 10 mph. The cop car would not go any faster than about 40 mph. While the car being chased did not actually try to get away it did and the driver probably never thought he was being pulled over. Those cars probably had so much carbon built up in them the engine could hardly run. Maybe it was the spark plugs fouling out due to all the iddling time and many of those cars had ovre 100,000 miles on them back in the middle 1960's.

I have seen police go to porta potties in the park leaving their motor running. Sorely tempted to drive the car a block away and leave it.

Reminds me of talking to a guy once about this who told me he left his truck running at work to step out a moment to go in an office then come out to find it at the bottom of the hill.

That's good but may not be true for all cars as it would cost manufacturer more to make and they are penny pinchers.

I believe the EPA has encouraged a reset to the default on every time the vehicle is turned off. They realize the feature isn't a crowd pleaser so left to their own devices the great unwashed will turn it off when they acquire the car.

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Does that cover start/stop? The EPA seems a bit unsure.

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Given the track record of the EPA that's a temporary situation. I wouldn't be surprised if in the nanny states the car won't rat you out for antisocial behavior.

Have you missed the last few decades? The EPA mandates and we pay for it. That isn't completely elastic as the current disinterest in manufacturing EVs indicates. Think of it in terms of seat belts. The belts, mount points, and electronic nagging cost more but you pay for it, not GM.

So far, it is true for all cars.

It was controversial but in the '60s the city of Troy NY bought 6 cylinder compacts, Valiants iirc, for the police cars. The thought was if the cops knew they couldn't catch anything high speed pursuits that could lead to suits against the city were very unlikely.

This area favors Dodge Chargers. I don't know if there are any Hellcats in the mix. I try to avoid up close and personal encounters with cops. I may be old and white but I've noticed a trend toward high speed low drag types with no sense of humor.

Driver error? I'll admit to a mental malfunction when I put a MT pickup in neutral and jumped out to open the gate without taking the slope of the land in account. I got the parking brake applied before things got out of hand.

There is talk of limiting speed. Europe is already doing it. California wants it. If you go more than 10 over the limit, you get either a buzzer or pedal resistance. You can override it.

I'd find that annoying and intrusive. OTOH, if cars were limited to 100 mph, I'd have no problem with that. Every week you read about cars speeding at 140, accidents at 120, chases well over 100.

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In 'Terms of Service' the main character, Kim, learns that you don't want to piss the refrigerator off or you'll be eating a lot of kale since it orders the contents from 'the food company'.

Fiction?

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Sorry Buffy. You're looking a little chubby today. You don't need that KitKat bar.

Yeah, I'm aware. I haven't been up there since covid but the people in Alberta have as much use for their east coast idiots as Montana has for theirs.

It is sad though. In the '70s we set up some watt hour meter base molding equipment in the Toronto area and I enjoyed the city. It was a bit more sophisticated than most US cities of that size and a lot safer.

I assume they're long gone but I appreciated the men only beer halls. The crew could go in hot and dirty after a day in a molding plant and have a few beers. The waiters brought around trays of glasses and had old fashioned coin machines on their belts to make change. Some US taverns still had 'ladies' entrances but they were anachronisms for the most part.

Site I worked out took precautions to a fault. A delivery truck even if parked on a slope had to have wheels chocked. Big problem was contractors but we did have one working on a building expansion that parked a dump truck on a slope and unattended rolled into four cars in our parking lot.

I have an internet-ready stove. I simply failed to tell it my WiFi password. I'm sure it's desperately lonely.

Nah, it just connected to your neighbors unsecure wifi SSID. Or connected to a non-advertised private SSID run by the NSA :-).

Ah, the NSA. I figure they're watching and listening through the TV. When I give my husband a motorboat every evening, I figure the NSA guys are tossing their cookies.

East Coast in Canada is the Maritimes - best place & best people anywhere - hands down. It's Ontario & Quebec that would be the bane of Alberta and the western provinces. I well remember the hotels of the '70s - the mens room or beverage room was for drinking and maybe a dart board. Pickled eggs & sausages at the bar. They seldom asked for ID. In the very same old hotel - the " Lounge " was for " Ladies and Escorts " and had carpeting and cushy seats & booths clean glasses and nice lighting. entertainment on Fri & Sat - and they always asked for ID. Disco helped kill those places in the '80s . John T.

In an episode of Adam 12, set in LA decades ago, one of the cops said they had a policy of getting rid of cars after 80,000 miles.

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