On this note, it's been observed that if you want to freeze meat or
fish or shrimp and have it be just as good months later, a good
technique is to put the food in a ziplock bag and then fill the bag
full of water before zipping the bag shut. Freezer burn is due to
sublimation of the water in the food, and by the method just
described, the added water does the sublimating rather than the food.
I tried this trick with same-day shrimp acquired in South Carolina in
June, and I thawed the last 2-lb bag for dinner in January, and it
tasted just like the shrimp cooked the first day.
Had a home for sale with a ice maker that sat vacant for several
months, a idiot home inspector wrote up mal formed ice cubes from
maker, because they had sublimiated away. true what was left of the
cubes looked wierd.
the deal fell thru buyer said your home has too many troubles.
I agree. Used to be able to buy 4lb of shrimp in blocks of ice. It would
keep almost forever and taste nearly fresh upon melting. These newer
packaging methods using flash freezing are already somewhat mummified right
out of the market. Nowhere near the moisture and freshness. This also
works for fish you catch yourself. Put in topless milk cartons full of
water and freeze. The meat retains it's firmness and moisture. I never
tried this with other than fish or seafood. I'm not sure it would work too
well with herd animal flesh. Maybe.
I used to always freeze fish in plastic grocery bags and they would go
bad pretty fast. A shame ending a fishes
life by keeping them and not even using them. The carton method isn't
very practical for me, Any ideas for
freezing fish to last at least a month?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:42:42 -0700 (PDT), monkey firstname.lastname@example.org
I know how you feel. I don't like to waste food or anything, but it's
worse to waste meat and fish. They died so we could eat them. We
should do so.
I had one roommate whose father, he told me, worked at a state mental
hospital. He would bring home a lot of spaghetti, butter, 64 oz. cans
of corn, and several other things, all labeled Not for Sale. I think
his father bartered them in return for working on private cars for the
It was bad enough that they, he and his girl friend, stole from the
mental hospital, but worse that they let the food rot sometimes. One
64 oz. can of vegetables had about 8 oz. eaten and nothing more and
after long enough, it rotted.
And it wasn't a prison, the residents weren't even criminals, and they
still stole from them.
I didn't want to fight with them when they were living htere, but
after they left, I wrote them a letter saying more or less what I have
here. I'm sure his parents took even more food for his house than
these two did.
We have a downstairs fridge and I put stuff it in there to thaw it out
and occasionally, rarely but occasionally, I will have this feeling
and go oh, and go downstairs and it's either complete relief or strong
disappointment cause we often buy in bulk.
I would rather just burn the money spent for it rather than throw the
When I get large cans of vegetables that's what were gonna have as
aprt of a couple of dinners, nice big piles,
(I love those canned mixed vegetables) Then it's on for a big pot of
vegetable beef soup\\stew.
If anything is left over it's to the freezer.
If you are talking about the kitchen they stole from?
That creates hassles for the cooks and people who take inventory,
innocent employees being accused of theft and the bottom line.
Prison though, I don't see it matters, if they steal from the kitchen
they still steal from somebody.
Yea I have seen this stealing and waste also. I've seen managers take
large unopened items then heard "I need another one because I left the
other one open." I say if your gonna steal it at least have some
respect for it. And don't think pretending you are entitled makes that
so, steal it, don't allow your co-workers to see what you are doing,
unless they do it too. Me I really don't want to see it.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:35:49 -0700 (PDT), monkey email@example.com
I don't think this kid or his father did the stealing itself, but the
food was marked "Dept. of Agriculture" maybe iirc and definitely
marked Not for Resale. The father ran the autoshop at the hospital,
and he knew who his customers were and where the food was coming from.
And I'm sure the son did too and 10 to 1 odds he told his girlfriend.
They got married a month after they moved out of my place. He didn't
answer the letter I wrote him. Embarrassed or angry, I'm sure. I'd
guess the odds were 50/50 he stopped taking the food. By now he would
have children in college. Maybe three generations are eating off that
As far as their stealing goes, you're right, it doesnt' matter, it's
stealing from the state of NY either way. But I tried to foresee the
kind of excuse someone in this situation would use, like, if this were
a prison, "They are criminals and they don't get adequately punished
anyhow, and we're just treating them the way they should be treated."
But even that, as phony as it it, doesn't apply here.
Do what I mentioned earlier. I served salmon that had been iced this way a year
earlier to a very avid fisherman once. He complimented me on how fresh it
The thicker layer of ice, the longer it lasts, so multiple coats help.
We get roadside roasted green chile every fall and there ends up
being lots of great liquid. Twist the top making
an ice seal by having wet hands when you twist it closed and a year
later it still will have that great fresh roasted green chile flavor.
You've gotten some good answers. I asked a while back why a glass filled
with ice and water added doesn't overflow when the ice melts if you don't
drink any of the water :) I can't for the life of me remember the answer
and am too lazy to Google for it. It just seemed a curious thing to me.
And the answer is that because ice is less dense than water, the
volume of the ice when it melts (into water) becomes exactly equal to
the volume under the waterline of the icecubes. This is in fact the
discovery that Archimedes made a few years back.
- DerbyDad03 wrote:
- - I used to know a lot of facts about Archimedes but something
seems to have displaced that knowledge.
- Do you suppose it's due to too many baths?
- gloria p
Or from getting crowned...
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