ice cube madness

[monkey_cartman]

Cool, I will look into that. Very disappointing throwing fish or any food for that matter away.

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Some refrigerators were made with a freon/thalidomide combination, and that causes malformed ice cubes. Early imports from China.

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And this is why some people take the ice cubes out of the trays and put them in bags, so they don't disappear.

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I know how you feel. I don't like to waste food or anything, but it's worse to waste meat and fish. They died so we could eat them. We should do so.

I had one roommate whose father, he told me, worked at a state mental hospital. He would bring home a lot of spaghetti, butter, 64 oz. cans of corn, and several other things, all labeled Not for Sale. I think his father bartered them in return for working on private cars for the kitchen staff.

It was bad enough that they, he and his girl friend, stole from the mental hospital, but worse that they let the food rot sometimes. One

64 oz. can of vegetables had about 8 oz. eaten and nothing more and after long enough, it rotted.

And it wasn't a prison, the residents weren't even criminals, and they still stole from them.

I didn't want to fight with them when they were living htere, but after they left, I wrote them a letter saying more or less what I have here. I'm sure his parents took even more food for his house than these two did.

[DerbyDad03]

Actually, I took them out of the trays and put them in bags so I would have more than 24 cubes available.

[monkey_cartman]

We have a downstairs fridge and I put stuff it in there to thaw it out and occasionally, rarely but occasionally, I will have this feeling and go oh, and go downstairs and it's either complete relief or strong disappointment cause we often buy in bulk.

I would rather just burn the money spent for it rather than throw the stuff away.

When I get large cans of vegetables that's what were gonna have as aprt of a couple of dinners, nice big piles, (I love those canned mixed vegetables) Then it's on for a big pot of vegetable beef soup\\stew.

If anything is left over it's to the freezer.

If you are talking about the kitchen they stole from?

That creates hassles for the cooks and people who take inventory, innocent employees being accused of theft and the bottom line.

Prison though, I don't see it matters, if they steal from the kitchen they still steal from somebody.

Yea I have seen this stealing and waste also. I've seen managers take large unopened items then heard "I need another one because I left the other one open." I say if your gonna steal it at least have some respect for it. And don't think pretending you are entitled makes that so, steal it, don't allow your co-workers to see what you are doing, unless they do it too. Me I really don't want to see it.

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I don't think this kid or his father did the stealing itself, but the food was marked "Dept. of Agriculture" maybe iirc and definitely marked Not for Resale. The father ran the autoshop at the hospital, and he knew who his customers were and where the food was coming from. And I'm sure the son did too and 10 to 1 odds he told his girlfriend. They got married a month after they moved out of my place. He didn't answer the letter I wrote him. Embarrassed or angry, I'm sure. I'd guess the odds were 50/50 he stopped taking the food. By now he would have children in college. Maybe three generations are eating off that food.

As far as their stealing goes, you're right, it doesnt' matter, it's stealing from the state of NY either way. But I tried to foresee the kind of excuse someone in this situation would use, like, if this were a prison, "They are criminals and they don't get adequately punished anyhow, and we're just treating them the way they should be treated." But even that, as phony as it it, doesn't apply here.

Wow.

[William Sommerwerck]

Nope. The water level drops.

In the boat, the iron ore displaces a volume of water equivalent to its weight. Once the ore sinks, it displaces only its own volume of water. As water is significantly less dense than iron ore, the water level goes down.

You're confusing this puzzle with the one about floating ice cubes. Even Mr. Wizard got that one wrong

[briggs]

And sunk objects displace water equivalent to their volume.

A boat full of iron ore has a density greater than that of water, else it would not sink. Accordingly, the volume it displaces when sunk is less than the volume it displaces when floating.

The level in the canal goes down.

[HeyBub]

Which is also why, if the entire Artic ice shelf melts, the ocean level will rise exactly zero feet.

This is not true of the Antarctic ice fields - they've got southern ice.

If the Arctic ice melts, however, the salinity of the oceans will change and all the fish will DIE. Bathers will no longer have to worry about sharks, true, but Pirana will be able to live in the ocean...

[PD]

This is also true. Unfortunately, if the Arctic ice fields melt, then so do the Antarctic ice fields, though there may be some short-term (~10 year) anisotropy. And there is far more ice in the Antarctic than in the Arctic -- about 8 times as much.

PD

[Jerry Peters]

At least in my refrigerator there's also a heating element the winds through the freezer coil.

Jerry

[Edwin Pawlowski]

But if the ore is more dense, it would not float in the first place by itself. That is only a portion of the puzzle. The boat also had air pockets, lighter material in the hull, etc. If all of it sinks and air pockets remain, the level goes up.

If you took iron ore by itself, it would sink right away and raise the level, but it never did float in the first place so it just moved water. .

[Bob F]

Do what I mentioned earlier. I served salmon that had been iced this way a year earlier to a very avid fisherman once. He complimented me on how fresh it tasted.

The thicker layer of ice, the longer it lasts, so multiple coats help.

[Bob F]

Bzzzz! Sorry, you lose.