I use the hot water trick. I have no knowledge of the debate on drain
cleaning products. Drano was popular when I was young so I mentioned it but
did not mean it as a recommendation. You should look at the products and
decide if you want to use them.
I've no idea what you wish me to clarify. I glanced briefly at some of
the other replys but saw nothing that interested me.
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, David L. Martel wrote:
Thanks, Dave. I asked the snaker, Plumber B, (who didn't charge me to chec
k the line today!) and he said there were two types of Drano. The one with
sulfuric acid, he said, is basically bleach, and used for "soft" clogs, so
you might as well pour bleach down drain. I haven't had a chance to check
the other kind.
He strongly re-emphasized no grease down line. I don't, so I dunno why it
glopped up. But I'm getting after the other person in the household, who m
ight not be so careful, to keep grease out.
I will try the boiling water once a month, and hope this is it for a while.
What I like about Patrick, Plumber B (who it turns out lives nearby) is tha
t he is independent, not a franchisee of a big company. He shot down every
idea propo$ed by Plumber A (from Mr. $peedy), about Hydrojet, replacing pi
pe, and on & on. Gave commonsense advice, and said don't wait so long to c
Interesting: I asked why, if he just snaked kitchen on July 17, did it clo
g up again approx s week later. He said maybe a piece got knocked loose &
blocked drain. I should have called him right away.
Said he felt something break loose at 10 feet today, so that might have be
en it. He answered another question asked by youse guys: Yes, he had used
a "grease" type bit earlier, and yes, it did clean around the sides of the
I'm so glad family arriving tomorrow will NOT be greeted by horrible sight
MANY THANKS TO THE PROS WHO "HELD MY HAND' THROUGH THIS MESS.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
A month after I bought this house, only 4 years old, I had several
people come for July 4 weekend. It was hot. Noon on Saturday the
AC, failed, 9PM the water failed, Noon on Sunday the electricity
failed. Nothing got fixed until after they all left.
**The AC was a coincidence I guess. The little AC transformer that
powered the control box failed.
***The water must have been a coincidence too, though we have had 10
of them in 30 years because the original water mains, under the
streets, were not flexible like they should have been. A heavy truck
pushing one against a piece of big gravel is enough to cause a leak.
****The power failed because everyone else was using their AC.
didn't charge me to check the line today!) and he
said there were two types of Drano. The one with
sulfuric acid, he said, is basically bleach, and used
for "soft" clogs, so you might as well pour bleach
down drain. I haven't had a chance to check the other
so I dunno why it glopped up. But I'm getting after the
other person in the household, who might not be so careful,
to keep grease out.
is it for a while.
lives nearby) is that he is independent, not a franchisee
of a big company. He shot down every idea propo$ed by
Plumber A (from Mr. $peedy), about Hydrojet, replacing
pipe, and on & on. Gave commonsense advice, and said
don't wait so long to call me.
July 17, did it clog up again approx s week later. He said
maybe a piece got knocked loose & blocked drain. I should
have called him right away.
that might have been it. He answered another question asked
by youse guys: Yes, he had used a "grease" type bit earlier,
and yes, it did clean around the sides of the pipe.
horrible sight in driveway.
From my chemistry background, sulfuric acid and bleach are two very,
very different chemicals. And they do very, very different things.
My experience with drain cleaners, there are basically two kinds,
acid and alkalai.
Acid (sulfuric, or hydrochloric) work best on calcium lime scale.
They change calcium oxide or hydroxide into calcium sulphate, or
hydrochloride. Calcium sulphate is not water soluble, the hydro-chloride
is. So, with hydrochloric, it changes into a chemical
that washes down the drain.
This is much different than the sodium hypochlorite which is
One apartment manager near me tells me that the sulfuric acid stuff
works great also on grease and hair clogs. Sulfuric acid is very
dangerous to skin, eyes, etc. It also destroys natural fibers like
cotton. Treat it like toxic waste, wash hands after using, etc.
The alkalai drain cleaners like "crystal drano" work by turning grease
into soap, also called saponification. Crystal Drano would work on
kitchen grease clogs, or soap and hair from the shower drain.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
You generate grease and oil for your skin. When you bath it goes down the
drain. Bath soap is made from grease and fat. Soap scum is a major component
of drain clogs. Washing dishes is a good source of grease. Grease is hard to
avoid in your drains, that's why maintenance is important.
Plumber B sounds like a winner. Did he have an opinion on boiling water?
What sort of maintenance did he recommend.
Not buying it. Sodium Hydroxide (Drano) is an alkali, not an acid so
it shouldn't attack cast iron at all (indeed, it's used to clean cast
iron). If it rotted out cast iron that fast it wouldn't make much of
a drain cleaner.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:17:16 PM UTC-7, ChairMan wrote:
I have been thinking that way. Snake-er finally coming today. He has video.
Will ask him. He earlier said "sometimes it takes more than one [snake]. But I agree with you; I need to know whatthehellis going on.
On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:27:54 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
A friend had a plumber out for a clogged drain. He snaked, and when
that didn't work, he said he had to dig up the drain pipe in the front
My friend was about to pay him to do that when another friend of his
told him to call the county. The county came out and snaked the part
of the drain that they owned, from his drain pipe or some place, to
their bigger drain. Everything fine now. County pipes. No charge.
I don't if the pipes are arranged the same way in other places.
Though he lives on a street which is NOT scheduled to be widened ever,
afaict. I really don't know what pipes were the county pipes.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:27:54 AM UTC-7, Higgs Boson wrote:
a hole though it (my unscientific interpretation!).
ogged up again *5 days later.* I was afraid something got stuck in there f
rom bathroom work by Plumber B. I've been letting kitchen water run into d
riveway; afraid to investigate whose "fault" it is if anyone, and how to fi
t converge. Recommended Hydrojet. They haven't followed through as promis
ed Hydrojet. He is coming over to see. Says sometimes 2 snakings needed.
hing is radically wrong? Esp. if it was snaked in Feb, then again in July?
Normally over [censored] years, I've only had to have it snaked every few
them to see mess in driveway.
1. What kind of tip did the snake have on its end? Was it a grease cutter h
2. Is your vent clear? That’s the part that sticks over the roof.
3. Is it septic or city sewer?
4. Could your sewer pipe have a hole in it which would cause all the “jui
ces” to leak out and leave the “solids” behind?
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:14:01 AM UTC-7, email@example.com wrote:
ke a hole though it (my unscientific interpretation!).
clogged up again *5 days later.* I was afraid something got stuck in there
from bathroom work by Plumber B. I've been letting kitchen water run into
driveway; afraid to investigate whose "fault" it is if anyone, and how to
not converge. Recommended Hydrojet. They haven't followed through as prom
used Hydrojet. He is coming over to see. Says sometimes 2 snakings needed
ething is radically wrong? Esp. if it was snaked in Feb, then again in Jul
y? Normally over [censored] years, I've only had to have it snaked every f
nt them to see mess in driveway.
Sorry, didn't notice on either of his two trips. Will bring it up to him to
Can I assume so if bathroom and washing machine work ok?
uices” to leak out and leave the “solids” behind?
OMG I hope not. Would this apply even if bathroom and washing machine run
*****Pls explain; TIA.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
A lot of houses have two vents. If your bathroom and washing machine
are roughly above and below your kitchen sink, they would share the
same vent. My little townhouse has 2 bathrooms above the kitchen
which is above the basement laundry sink.
But it still has another vent for the powder room, only. So having
two vents doesn't mean that the answer to your question isn't Yes.
Do a little googling on the Hydro Jet. Sounds like it is indeed the
option of next-to-last resort for a lot of troublesome drainage
issues, and that it can be pretty effective. Apparently, when the
right head (the root rat and warthog heads were mentioned) is used
with the hydrojet, it can even do a better job of root removal than
the conventional root removal process w/cutter head.
It does look like prices and guarantees vary wildly. You probably want
to find a few plumbers in your area that perform the service, find out
what their procedure includes (for example, do they perform a
before-and-after camera examination of the line), and what their
I guess if it were me, and if you've been quoted $2k to replace the
kitchen line from the sink to the main sewer line, I'd consider hydro
jetting *if* it included before and after camera inspection, came with
a minimum 90 day guarantee, and if it cost no more than $500. Any more
expensive than that, I'd just say the hell with it and replace the pipes.
The boiling water down the drain should be tried first. Then, any one of t
he caustic drain openers. If that doesn't work, then its a plumber with a
snake and camera so you can find out what's happening. Once you tell us wh
at the camera shows, we can give you good advice on what to do to prevent t
he problem from reoccurring.
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:15:21 PM UTC-7, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote
the caustic drain openers. If that doesn't work, then its a plumber with
a snake and camera so you can find out what's happening. Once you tell us
what the camera shows, we can give you good advice on what to do to prevent
the problem from reoccurring.
I asked Patrick if he needed to use the video, and he said it would be exp
ensive & not needed. I'm still trying to get my head around an honest plum
ber*, after exposure to those other expensive guys who blew me off.
He also commented that the Hydrojet is used in circumstances very different
from my kitchen drain problem. Something about street connections? I was
so emotional I didn't get the full sense of it -- except that the other one
-- the Mr. Speedy guy who proposed using it -- either didn't know what he
was doing, or was trying to game me.
*No offense, amigos, but I have been through a lot, perhaps much of it my o
wn fault because I was too chicken to find out whose "fault" it was, if any
You can do the boiking water in 15 minutes. Two or more gallons of boiling
water will loosen up anything that may be grease related. If that doesn't
work, a couple of gallons of liquid drain cleaner poured down the drain an
d allowed to sit for at least 4 hours should help loosen anything short of
solid metals or concrete.
If those two ideas/tricks don't work, I think it is time to pay for a video
camera scan of the line, with you in attendance to see exactly what the pl
umber sees. It would be good to price a couple of plumbers with cameras to
see if they are at least in the same ball park.
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