OT for AHR, not for other ng.
How well do cell phones really work?
My niece graduated NYU a couple weeks ago, and standing outside Madison
Square Garden, using a cell phone, I could not reach her mother (who had
the tickets***), only her voice mail. She was probably inside by then.
But I could reach my niece, who was also inside by then.
Her mother could not reach me, although I later found 4 messages from
her from that time period on my voice mail. But she could reach her
daughter at the same time.
Her daughter could reach both of us.
How is this possible?
A couple days later, someone called me in the morning in Northern New
Jersey and reached me fine. But at 3:30 PM, when I was on the
southern end of the NJ Turnpike, or the Delaare or Md Turnpike, he
called again and even though I was wearing earbuds, I didn't hear it
ring. How is that possible? Even though I read that watching a movie
on the NJ turnpike didn't work so well, surely phone call coverage is
***(Finally learned that her mother had left the tickets with a security
guard.. If this had been something with a box office, I would have
expected her to leave them at the box office, but it didn't occur to me
that one could do this with security guards. Especially with all
those entrances, but there was really only one entrance for "The
Theatre". I think Eva was the one in charge, of about 10^^ or more, at
least she was the one who got to walk around, and she actually had them
in her hand when the first guard I asked pointed her out. That is,
ours were probably the only tickets she was holding. ^^They even
did metal checking to get in.) We were supposed to get them the
night before, and should have gotten them the night before that, to
avoid all this.
Even though I read that watching a movie
| on the NJ turnpike didn't work so well, surely phone call coverage is
It depends on where towers are, and the US
is a big country. I have relatives in NH/VT who
can't use their cellphones from home. Parts of
NJ are rural.
In cases I've tried to use my Tracphone in bad
spots in VT, which can use any of 3 networks,
I think, and it also gets no signal. The phone
company maps show lots of gaps in coverage, yet
I know they're overstating what they do cover
because their maps show coverage in areas
where I know there is none. So I'm guessing that
they fudge it by doing something like marking an
area covered if there's some coverage with, say,
I think that people living on their phones is mainly
an urban phenomenon.
Not all that well - even in urban areas! And considering some
versions of the i phone the metal frame around the edge IS
the antenna, you have to hold it just so in order to avoid accidentally
My cell phone, also a Tracfone, won't connect from where I'm sitting in
northern DE even though there is a cell phone tower only a mile away.
Problem is hill between me and the tower. If I walk outside, less than
50 ft from the house, the phone works. Same with TV and radio signals.
Not likely in my part of the U.S. They might drive their tractors
if they're busy yapping or playing games on the cellular device if the
auto steering fails
or they fall asleep. The GPS on row crop tractors is accurate to within
one inch. A bit here
from John Deere.
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Why do the tractors need a driver? One of the more boring things I've
ever done was drive a tractor. Of course it was an elderly Minneapolis
Moline without air conditioning and the entertainment center the new
Farmers say the GPS sometimes fails when they get over a certain hill
a certain spot in their fields. They have to turn the tractors around at
of the fields and operate the equipment when they do. Someone has to keep
an eye on the planter or fertilizer monitors also. Then there's refilling
sprayer tanks, the planters with seed etc. at planting time.
I've meant to ask someone if the tractors have dead man's switches but
haven't thought about it at the right time.
It's been maybe a dozen years or so since I've even climbed into a
The familiar levers for the hydraulics had been replaced by rocker
switches even then.
There's one nearby farmer who still uses a Minnie tractor. A few of
wells are still powered by Minnie power units. Those things must be close
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Must be. White bought them in the '60s and dropped the brand name in the
early '70s. M-M had the first enclosed cab in the business on the DeLuxe
model, but the one I spent time on wasn't deluxe in any way, shape, or
| > I think that people living on their phones is mainly
| > an urban phenomenon.
| You might be surprised. Farmers use theirs quite a bit.
| They can order supplies, check the weather and markets etc.
IF they can get a signal. As I pointed out,
many can't get a signal at their home.
Actually, though, you raise an interesting
point. I've noticed that cellphone addicts
often don't really seem to notice how bad
the service is. It's often difficult to understand
what they're saying due to gaps or static.
One would think that at home they'd use
the superior technology of a landline phone,
rather than subject friends and family to
1950s-quality phone communication.
But they seem to just be out of the habit
of using regular phones.
Lase week I was on the Boston subway when
a young man approached and asked to borrow
my cellphone. He was very anxious. His iPhone
battery had died and he needed to call his father
to get picked up at the station. I told him sorry,
but I don't use a cellphone. He repeated his
story and then slowly wandered away. He seemed
to think I was suspicious of him, never considering
that maybe I meant exactly what I said -- that
I didn't have a cellphone.
I thought of offering the young man that I
could call his father as soon as I walked home
from the station, but I decided that by that
point he probably thought I was unfriendly
at best and an anti-social weirdo without a
cellphone at worst, so maybe it was best to
leave him to his own devices.... or lack thereof. :)
I just called his father. He's home already and that's exactly what he
thought of you. He said he saw you looking at him atterwards and he
reached for the knife in his pocket, to have it in his hand, in his
pocket, just in case.
On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 8:03:22 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
M > mother no
mother > M no
M > daughter yes
daughter > M, mother yes
The only part there that would raise any question
would appear to be the daughter being able to reach
the mother, while you can't. Why the daughter would
be trying to reach the daughter who it sounds like is
standing right next to her, IDK. But I would think the
most logical explanation is that connections, especially
inside buildings, are highly variable. If the phones
moved even a few feet during the trial, which it sounds
like they could, then reception can change and the phone
may no longer be able to contact a cell site.
It's not that unusual. And it depends very much on the carrier.
In NJ, Verizon has better coverage than Sprint or ATT, for example.
The major highways do have excellent coverage, but it's not perfect
and the southern NJ part of the turnpike is in less populated areas
No, the daughter was on the stage, waiting I think for the curtain to
open. The mother was in the audience. (OT The college graduating
class is about 1000, so big it had to be split into morning and
afternoon groups. Of the 500 people graduating that morning, only 40
got to sit on the stage! Did I mention she was Phi Beta Kappa, summa
cum laude? and she has a job and an apartment.)
But it's not like the phones are talking directly to each other. All
three connect to their cell company's cell tower, and from there (I
think) to the regular phone system, and from there to the cell company
of the recipient and then to a tower to each cell phone.
If my phone can reach my cell company, and the mother's phone can reach
hers when we place calls, or receive them from the daughter, why would
it matter from whom we are receiving the call. It made it to the cell
company or there would be nothing on voice mail. The mother probably
never moved from her chair, and I barely moved while looking for her.
She called me 5 times (or maybe 4) and I called her 3, I think, and we
got none of them, only voice mail. The next time I get voice mail for
anyone, even if there is no one in the role of daughter, should I call a
third party who might be anywhere and have him call my 2nd party, on the
theory that whether the phone rings is dependent on who is calling?
Should everyone do that?
With all the big shots driving on that road, from NY to DC, it surprises
me that there would be an empty space. I have ATT. OTOH, maybe they
like it because if they don't want to answer the phone they can claim
they were in a dead spot.
Missing this one call would not have been noteworthy were it not for the
preceding potential fiasco on graduation morning.
On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 07:10:26 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
That would make sense, but then what would all the switchboard operators
Also, and you didn't say otherwise, it doesn't change the basic
question. If I can call in and out and the mother can call in and out,
why can't we call each other?
(I'm quoting you anyhow, so there.)
Venues like Madison Square Garden can go through periods of hardly
anyone using a cell phone followed by periods with hundreds or even
thousands of calls. Cell sites and interconnecting system can and do
get overloaded. All sorts of strange things can happen including
calls just being dumped or sent to voicemail for no reason apparent to
the user. I can imagine 90% of those graduating students texting,
calling relatives, and calling each other before during and after the
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