Sorry, my mistake. But regardless, CO can kill you very quickly... even from
a car, with a catalytic converter, and certainly from a generator which
probably doesn't have one. The risk should never be understated.
Yes, a 1-cylinder B&S/Tecumseh/Kohler/etc is typically far worse than a
modern auto engine as regards emissions.
I disagree. That philosophy leads to those user manuals that start with 10
pages of warnings that nobody reads. Rear-view mirrors that warn you about
things appearing smaller. Caution should be proportioned to risk. Cf the
boy who cried wolf. Probability, hazards, and risks are about the hardest
intellectual concepts going; we ought not to be burdening people with any
more than they need.
I agree with your sentiment. But I think it is irresponsible to (basically)
tell people that it's OK to run your car in the garage with the door shut
because the emissions are virtually zero. Did you read the link I posted
earlier, which contained a very revealing analysis of the amount of CO
produced by a car started in an enclosed garage? It does not support your
position that this is a negligible risk.
It is a fact that you once stated in this ng that the hydrocarbons in gasoline
are safe to drink.
It is also a fact that you claimed that borax is a deadly poison.
It is likewise a fact that when I posted LD50 figures that showed otherwise,
you claimed I was wrong, but never responded when challenged to provide the
In this thread you have claimed that the levels of CO in automobile exhaust
are not particularly harmful (I admit I'm paraphrasing, but I think I've
captured the gist of it).
If anything, your statements seem to deserve much more mocking than they have
received so far.
Well, history is immutable. Either you forgot, or you disagree, that your
statement below gives the impression that I described. You say "only in
hollywood" can a car kill someone quickly (an hour, which is hardly quick),
and the study I posted showed CO at lethal levels in a few minutes in an
enclosed garage despite your contention that they are "near zero". Likewise,
your use of the term "survival instincts" implies that anyone would have
plenty of warning that they were "suffocating" from CO, which contradicts
the fact that over 200 people die in the US every year from CO poisiong.
Apparently they were born without this survival instinct. Or perhaps CO
kills quickly and silently, being odorless and tasteless.
For your reference, here is the exchange. I expect you will reply that my
interpretation of your statements is not correct, but I think that most
readers can judge for themselves whether I twisted your words or not.
This is just distortion and misquoting from someone with a chip on the
shoulder, and I have no interest in responding to it.
CO concentration in most automobile exhaust is below the tens or
hundreds of ppm that cause serious symptoms. Auto exhaust is wet CO2
that can kill you, but not from CO poisoning.
Statistics on CO deaths involve "unvented kerosene and gas space
heaters; leaking chimneys and furnaces; back-drafting from furnaces, gas
water heaters, wood stoves, and fireplaces; gas stoves; generators and
other gasoline powered equipment; [and only lastly] automobile exhaust
from attached garages; and tobacco smoke. [!]"
Whatever... I included, verbatim, the original exchange so I fail to see how
I could be misquoting. Likewise, if you have no interest in responding to
me, why did you? You have truly mastered the art of self-contradiction on
that one. But really -- I have no chip on my shoulder, just a desire to set
the record straight in the face of potentially dangerous misinformation.
I already posted an actual study, by an actual university using actual
measurment equipment, that measured CO emissions from an automobile in a
typical garage setting, that contradicts your unreferenced and unsupported
statement that auto exhaust doesn't contain enough CO to kill you. I don't
think I need to post it again. On the other hand your reference here to
EPA's web site merely proves that people die from other sources as well as
cars, which I do not dispute. However, we are talking about cars.
If you're just trolling... well, you got me good, but I'm enjoying honing my
google skills to challenge your unbelievable "facts". My last day of work is
Friday, gotta fill the day somehow!! ;-)
During the last power cut, I was careful to run my generator only during
"waking" hours. I live in a trailer park, and don't want to do that to my
My thoughts with the original poster's generator is to get a longer cord,
and put it out in some bushes. Auto muffler won't do much good.
You can make a generator "bunker" with sandbags around the generator
to absorb and deflect sound away.
A larger muffler as mentioned previously would most likely help to
reduce exhaust noise, some type of enclosure could reduce the
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