LOL I'm trying to figure out how proprietary equates to
being the main reason batteries are bad on the environment
too. Like a lot of people are going to want to buy a new
cell phone without a battery and instead use the 4 year
old one from another phone instead? And what about
all the non-rechargeable batteries out there, ie your
basic AA's etc? You don't recharge them even once.
As for needing more than one battery for a cell phone,
no need here. My phone lasts a week on a charge
because I don't use it all that much. And if I need to
charge it, it charges fully in a couple hours. I can go
from dead to enough power for a day in probably 20
mins. I also have a car charger, so if I'm going
somewhere I can charge it that way.
On 6/23/2012 9:08 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Its pretty simple. A lot of cellphone batteries have similar capacity
batteries that use the same chemistry so they have the same voltage and
charging characteristics but the molded case is slightly different for
each model phone. So you get a new phone and find the batteries from
your old phone don't fit and unless you find someone who has the exact
model you had they can't use the batteries either. Given there are close
to 200 million cellphones in use that represents a few "excess" batteries.
Seems reasonable that we shouldn't think about it since we already throw
away batteries it doesn't make sense to consider how we can throw away less.
The batteries from a 2YO (at least) phone aren't worth salvaging. Confining
batteries to a "standard" form factor will greatly limit innovation since the
battery is, by far, the largest component in the phone. Shaping the battery
is a large part of designing a new phone. No thanks.
No question it has some effect on the number of
batteries. But it's a big leap to turn that into it being
the "main reason batteries are bad on the environment".
There are one hell of a lot of batteries out there, of
all kinds. My cell phone uses exactly one of them
and I replace it every 4 years. And like most people,
at that point I would not want to take a 4 year old
battery and put it into a new phone. The battery new
battery is essentially free or small in the price of the
new phone. Suppose you gave out phones minus
the batteries, how many service complaints, returned
phones, etc would that cause the cell phone company
because people put a crap battery in a new phone and
it doesn't work right?
Now look around at all the non-rechargeables in everything
from watches, to TV remotes, smoke detectors, flashlights,
toys that get tossed all
the time. I'm not saying there isn't some effect. I just take
exception when some hippie claims that it's the "main
problem" or that it's a big deal.
You go right ahead. Take that new battery that comes with
the cell phone and sell it on Ebay, if it makes you feel better.
On 6/24/2012 12:15 PM, email@example.com wrote:
If you were say a teetotaler and also didn't like folks who drank and
were tasked with interviewing folks and categorizing drinking habits
would you simply record that the range of the guy who said he had a sip
of champagne at his daughters wedding to the guy who says he needs a
screwdriver just to get going in the morning as alcoholics?
If the guy who presented a reasonable observation about rechargeable
batteries is a "hippie know it all" what would ALGore be?
Often the truth lies in the middle.
The only problem is, the observation isn't reasonable.
"Cellphones should be made with batteries that pop in and out easily
you can be using one and charging one.
The main reason batteries are bad on the environment is they are all
Out of all the batteries, of all types, discarded every day, we're
supposed to believe that cell phone batteries that serve
basicly the life of the phone, are the main problem with
batteries and the environment? And what percent of the
overall waste disposal do they represent that we're about
Then we have the silly idea that you should take the
old battery from a phone and put it in a brand new one.
How many people would want to do that? Would you
do that with any other new product? And how
much more waste, cost, and service problems
would it generate? Cell phones and batteries would
now have to be packaged and sold seperately.
Think of the trees for all that packaging and shelving.
Last time I checked, cell phone
companies charge $25 for a battery. How about
they decide to give you the phone for free, but
charge for the battery? Before buying a new phone,
you'd have to figure out which phones would fit
the battery you have.
And then there is the little matter of form factor
and size. I've changed cell phones since the
early days about every 4 years. During that
period, it was either impossible or very unlikely
that the old battery could even be used. That's
because the cell phones have shrunk in size
dramatically in just a few years. And the form
factor has changed as well.
So, sorry, but this indeed hippie dream world
where someone has a brainfart, blows something
all out of proportion, and doesn't think through
the most basic issues with the idea.
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