On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
It's probably not that far off. We can eat out for $20ish, plus tip.
We spend a *lot* more than $100/wk at the grocery store and that
doesn't include the monthly (six weeks?) trips to Sams to fill the
The first paragraph of the article breaks the expense down to about
5.5% at home and about 4% away from home for 2009. I didn't see
anything more at a quick glance.
Eating in town was a big deal especially for farm kids. I still
remember a McDonalds in Lincoln, NE. It had the golden arches but no
place to sit if I recall correctly.
Small towns typically had bars/restaurants. Most of those would
have a noon special. One could probably get a burger or pizza if the
bartender was in a good mood in the evenings.
I guess I did eat "in town" five days a week during the school year.
That was mandatory.
We currently spend around 13% of GPD on medical care and the
projection is that it will rise to 25%. Do you really think that's
sustainable? A quarter of ALL our productivity will go to medical
care????? I know the below is hard to read but at the least it shows
how much GOVERMENT money is spent on various categories. So when you
look at the healthcare it presumably does NOT include private payments
to health care costs. Does it really seem right that the two biggest
expenses of the gvt are pensions and health care??? Is that the
purpose of GVT ????
The pension payout is MY money. My employer and I have been paying in 15% of my wages my entire career.
The health care problem is going to bankrupt the US.
Over half the people are lazy and obese from eating sugar-loaded junk food.
Most are moments away from a heart attack or stroke and Joe Taxpayer gets stuck with the nursing home tab.
A bit here about U.S. house sizes:
House sizes roughly doubled since the 1950s despite family size
decreasing. Houses have been getting a bit smaller lately. Maybe
people are regaining their sanity.
I see no evidence that they're getting smaller. There are a dozen or
so going up in my neighborhood, all of which are in the 3000-4000ft^2
range. All five and six bedroom. The smallest in the neighborhood is
about 2500ft^2 but none of the new ones are that small. No one is
building small houses (<2000ft^2) around here.
Sanity? Is your left leg that much shorter than your right?
I wonder where they are getting their inflation multiplier.
When I run $2.09 through
http://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html I get $16.31
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ each give $16.80.
Both figures being a long way from American Enterprise Institute's
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:15:48 PM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
But, to use that example... how long will the 2013 gas stove be usefully se
rviceable relative to the 1958 gas stove? Gotta consider the whole life cy
cle. I really would like to know if this is just a mistaken impression or
able to be supported by statistics, but it seems that a lot of new products
are made simply cheaper, not necessarily less expensively. I hope I'm wro
On Monday, October 14, 2013 7:56:37 PM UTC-4, N8N wrote:
serviceable relative to the 1958 gas stove? Gotta consider the whole life
cycle. I really would like to know if this is just a mistaken impression o
r able to be supported by statistics, but it seems that a lot of new produc
ts are made simply cheaper, not necessarily less expensively. I hope I'm w
Valid points. I think you're right, that many things don't last
as long as they used to. But it's even more complicated than just
making them cheaper so they don't last. In the case of a stove,
how long would most customers want a stove to last? The 1950
stove might have lasted 30 or 40 years. But today appliance styles,
features, colors, etc change. So I don't think many people would
want a stove to last that long, nor would they be willing to pay
extra to have it last that long, especially on a lower end one
that costs $400. Even if it lasts 10 years, it's just $40 a
year and then you have a brand new looking new stove again.
Even if the super stove lasted 30 years, it's gonna look like
hell by then.
On the other hand, it seems a common complaint here that furnaces
for example, HVAC stuff instead of lasting 25 to 30 years, only
lasts 15 now. But maybe that isn't entirely bad either. If you shelled
out extra money in 1985 for an HVAC that would last 30 years
was that such a good thing? That furnace was less than 80% efficient
and now you have furnaces that are 95%, two stage, etc.
AC was less than 10 SEER, now you have 14. So, it's really a more
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