It is not that difficult. In fact, just because manufacturers are
responding to the exact thing I am discussing does not mean every
dusty unit in the strores is listed. If it is not properly marked or
have a valid listing number the inspector can fail it.
One hint, if there is a built in stereo, electronic displays or
switches (other than air powered) you can reach from the water, it
can't be legal.
The legal ones use air powered switches. There is a hose that connects
the switch plunger to a remote switch.
680.22 prohibits any switching device within 5 feet of the water's
edge unless it is behind a separating wall.
The "legal" ones use air controls.
There are plenty before inspectors started demanding U/L listings.
Your search revealed the ones who ARE listed, not those that aren't.
I also noticed a lot of the ones on Google said things like "U/L
listed pumps" that doesn'r mean the assembly is listed.
BTW an AHJ does not have to "approve" something just because it is
Perhaps you don't really understand the inspection and approval
process. What are YOUR credentials?
I am SBCCI, IAEI, ICBO certified and Florida licensed. (BN2102)
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:42:59 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Although air controls would probably be legal, so are the low voltage
switches that virtually all hot tubs use.
When? Which Tubs? 40 years ago? Home built tubs made from wine
Your searches haven;'t found ONE example to support your fantasy.
Please point me to a link for ANY manufactured hot tub that is not
legal everywhere in the united states. ONE.
That's a meaningless statement. An inspector that does not approve
something just because he "feels like it" is guilty of malpractice and
may find himself personally held liable for damages.
It sounds like inspectors in Florida are not screened very carefully
if you are a typical example.
I'll be waiting for you to post some actual verifiable proof to back
up anything you have claimed so far.
I think the "air controls" to your brain need to be adjusted a little.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:40:57 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, see... Now you have exposed your ignorance further. Virtually all modern
hot tubs are UL approved AND virtually all of them have electronic control
panels within easy reach. It's completely legal, and UL approved to boot. Mine
also has underwater lights that are UL approved.
Manufacturers are not responding to what some knuckle headed municipal
inspectors "think". They have ALWAYS responded to what their own lawyers tell
them about product liability. The idea that there can be no stereos, electronic
displays and switches is just plain WRONG. They can all be there safely and
completely legally. See if you can figure out how. It isn't rocket science.
Well, when somebody starts posting misinformation and sounds like they
have an agenda, I don't think anybody is served by letting them skate.
If I'm wrong, please post FACTS to support your disagreement as I
have, rather than getting all hissy and telling me that I have PMS
because YOU don't have any real answers.
Next time, maybe you will come armed with verifiable facts, rather
than making stuff up as you go along, and hoping no one will notice.
From the National Electrical Code
680.22(C) Switching Devices. Switching devices shall be located at
least 1.5 m (5 ft) horizontally from the inside walls of a pool unless
separated from the pool by a solid fence, wall, or other permanent
barrier. Alternatively, a switch that is listed as being acceptable
for use within 1.5 m (5 ft) shall be permitted.
680.42 Outdoor Installations.
A spa or hot tub installed outdoors shall comply with the provisions
of Parts I and II of this article, except as permitted in 680.42(A)
and (B), that would otherwise apply to pools installed outdoors.
U/L has been around but hot tub manufacturers did not submit their
tubs for testing until inspectors started red tagging them and that is
When this issue came up last year we were finding more than half of
the tubs sold had no listing marks at all and some that did were field
modified and voided that listing.
I don't care anymore. Go on believing what you want to believe.
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