Actually, the good specialty stores and good independent hardware stores
survive (for the most part). The crappy ones, that provided as poor
service and products as HD, but at higher prices, disappear. That's what
happened in my area when HD opened in 2000. The nearby lumber store
folded, but it sold lumber almost as bad as HD. The good independent
lumber store, one town over, continues to thrive. The local plumbing
store, which kept bankers hours and was closed weekends went out of
business, but one in the next town that opens for about four hours on
Saturdays is a mob scene.
HD opened one of their Expo Design Centers not far from me, but it
folded after a couple of years, unable to compete with all the
independent supply stores, which are much less expensive.
Actually that article is wrong, because the East Palo Alto store was
already right next to a Home Depot, it wasn't converted, and it
No one going to piss and moan that McDonald's put all the small Mom and Pops
hamburger stands out of business?
Well, not put them out of business.
DROVE them out of business.
As everyone knows, it was all a well orchestrated conspiracy from the start
by the TriLateralists, Buildabergers, Skull and Bones Alumni, and let's not
forget the Bush family participation in the matter.
What's next? McDonald's inside Home Depots?
It wouldn't surprise me.
It's called capitalism, and it's just not fair! IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT
FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR!
And any time you don't like it, just shop somewhere else. It's wickedly
Oh, I forgot that the masses were involved in the conspiracy by going to the
big stores and not to the Mom and Pops ShopRites.
Because they didn't. Still massive numbers of hamburger restaurants that
do quite well selling higher quality products.
Also, look at In 'N Out, a privately held company that treats its
employees very well. They have driven three Burger King's in my area out
of business within months after opening close by. The McDonald's near
the In 'N Outs are very quiet at lunch, but since In 'N Out doesn't
server breakfast, or fish, or chicken, or salads, McDonald's has scraped by.
Just a note, I just had to make an emergency trip to Lowes (slightly closer
than Home Depot, seems better in my area than the Home Depot but prices are
about the same).
Plumber is here. I split a pipe (frozen copper line) over the washing
machine room which is exterior. The pipe heater had quit and we didnt know
it. Got 2 rolls of insulation (room didnt have any), several rolls of
various types of small pipe insulation, 2 pipe heaters (he showed us a
second one in the garage that was bare so we are going to insulate that too
later), some wire stuff to hold the insulation between the studs, etc.
While he worked, we got the rest of the stuff he needed for the job. Simple
Groan, well, he found a second pipe when he went to turn all back on so had
to do that one too. It's all fixed up now. Got a heater for the garage and
we are testing it out.
750$ worth of work here. Actually not all that bad since they didnt finish
til 8pm, 5 hours worth of work. I think we got some freebies in there.
Nothing deliberate, but it was cold as the blazes and it was a long job so
we made home made pizza with side order of roasted eggplant, and plied them
with hot tea and hot chocolate as the day turned to evening.
I know, I saw the '<g>' on it! Unfortunately, my humor model wasnt up to
replies in the same vein just then, having forked over 750$ in repairs.
We got a 36$ oil filled heater for the garage, not much of a unit but it has
a 'heat the garage' setting for 42F which is working fine. It probably wont
carry the load if it drops to the teens (will have to watch it carefully)
but we've got pipe heaters now on the pipes and are finishing off insulating
the washing room side part.
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:40:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
Since this particular valve is, and always has been, stocked by HD for
years there was no reason to think buying one would turn into an
ordeal ending at Lowe's. So no, I gave no thought to heading to a
specialty store for this commodity item. Where do you buy your
apples, and flour, and sugar? Do you go to a grocery store or do you
seek out specialty stores used by large restaurants?
I consider a grocery store to be the equivalent of a hardware store. In
certain seasons, I get produce directly from the growers at farmstands or
our local farmer's market. But, there's no such analogy for plumbing parts,
since they don't grow on farms.
Unfortunately big box places have the warchests to buy mind share. They
know that constantly telling everyone how good they are really works
because pretty soon people think they are the only game in town.
Ashton Crusher wrote:
Four stores to find a $12 valve, ridiculous.
Yes, it is ridiculous.
But its more you and not HD or Loews that is ridiculous.
Why not go to a real plumbing supply in the first place?
You might save $ .00 on a valve, IF HD has it, but you spent
more than that in gas.
Patronize the local specialty suppliers.
HD / Loews are jokes.
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:39:06 -0800, jJim McLaughlin
This valve is a commodity around here. Except for when I happened to
need it this time it's ALWAYS in stock. My point wasn't so much that
they didn't have it, it was how less then helpful they have become
over the years. They seem to have less and less people on the floor
and they don't seem very well cross trained.
My name is Ben Bernanke.
I'm trying to push some radical legislation through congress that will
affect the FED, the FCC, and the SEC.
Basically, my plans call for any retail establishment not to offer any of
its shares on a public exchange.
Trust me, this is radical, but it WILL work.
Or you could have driven straight to a plumbing supply house and gotten
it for about $8.
In general, Home Depot and Lowe's should be last resorts for any product
you're looking for.
Today I was showing a rental I have to someone. I had just replaced the
carpet, and the potential renter mentioned that she had a rental that
she also needed new carpet for, and where did I buy the carpet. She had
gotten a very expensive quote, for poorer quality carpet with a poorer
quality pad, from Home Depot (the _last_ place anyone should go to buy
carpet). Carpet is extremely high margin, is all ordered from the same
mills in Georgia, and there are scores of places that sell it cheaper
and install it better than Home Depot.
Tile, laminate flooring, and granite are three more things that can be
purchased for far less at builder supply houses (though not fancy home
decorator centers). I'm sure there are many other items as well.
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