I have no way of knowing, but often it isn't surprising. I think I read
this sad story at least six months ago. Boo, hoo, now the sheriff is
kicking them out. The kid has lived with grandparents for SIX YEARS, so
I doubt this situation wasn't clear to them long ago. As I said, not
surprising. If for no other reason, the grandparents should have tried
to avoid eviction just for the child's sake - the child probably doesn't
need any more trauma in her life. Wonder if daughter is in the child's
life at all, but that's a story for another day :o)
Addiction isn't exact science....lots of nurture involved. I'm not
being judgemental, just looking at the stated history of the situation.
Strike 1: daughter has apparent long-term drug problem.
Strike 2: No father of the child mentioned
Strike 3: Grandparents are...ingnorant?...believe rules don't apply to
them? (They aren't actually rules, it is LAW).
Yeh, lots of good parents have kids with serious problems, but addiction
and alcoholism have a great deal to do with childhood abuse and neglect.
There is also familial tendency. The fact that the child has apparently
been in custody of grandparents all of her life points to severity of
I enjoy the laughter (and whining and crying and outright noise and
sometimes vandalism) of children, but I want to do it on my own terms now. I
would imagine that is why people moved into that neighborhood in the first
place. Things being the way they are today, I never would have moved there,
because I know the minute that someone didn't want to follow the rules,
they'd be whining for an exception. Buy land for your retirement, build in
the middle of it, nobody to bother you then. :-)
Reserve studies started with a mandate from the State of Florida. Lots of
HOAs were taking in dues, and not being accountable for them. Either
spending too much, disappearing books, or giving sweetheart deals to
cronies. Others were not taking in enough, and then owners were being sent
special assessments for thousands of dollars when a sewer went out, or
pavement needed replaced, or some big ticket item came due, and there wasn't
enough money for it.
Nevada adopted a version of Florida's law. Under it, a certified reserve
specialist licensed by the State makes a physical inspection of the
property. Everything that is paid for out of the dues is photographed,
mathematically counted (as square foot of asphalt), given a life span, given
a replacement value (such as a pool pump motor). This study is turned in to
the next step, which compiles all this on Excel spreadsheets, and the
spreadsheets and pictures are sent in book form to the management company or
In there are projections that project how much money needs to be collected
in order to pay for these things as they wear out. If it is a new property,
it is done in a 30 year projection. If it is not, it is prorated on
remaining life. Financials are taken into consideration, and they either
have or don't have enough money in the bank to be on target for the budget.
A POPM is calculated, and that is a Per Owner Per Month. Dues are then
either raised, lowered, or remain the same, but the homeowner has an exact
report of where their dues are going.
HOA's (which consist of members and the board) can then assess if they want
to spend that much on that item, and take a vote. Lately, they have been
xeriscaping, and therefore cutting down on lawn maintenance and water bills.
These are some ways that they can adjust their budgets. Other items are
fixed, and can not be altered, such as painting every X years, or roof
repair, or pool replastering, or as now, meeting the new federal mandates
regarding pool and spa filter entrapment retrofitting.
In Nevada, dues cannot go up more than 25% in a fiscal HOA year. Smaller
studies are required every year on a casual inspection basis, and full
studies required every five years. Adjustments to dues can be made every
This is to try to be sure there is enough money in the bank to pay for
upcoming maintenance and replacement, and to catch anyone who is
overspending or giving sweetheart contracts within a year.
It is a state to state basis. All states do not have this requirement.
HTH. Any more questions, ask away.
Not entirely right. The grandparents are given the option of moving out
with the grandchild or else the grandchild will be forced to leave. The
child doesn't know the rules or regs of the HOA, the grandparents do and
have violated them for 6 years.
You're kidding, right? HOA rules in writing regarding "those type" of
people? But, yes, they are legally able to limit the minimum ages of
residents. They can be classified as "visitors", and a time limit put on
Federal guidelines and laws were enacted in the last decades or so regarding
"those types" of people, and a lot of it had to do with minorities, gays,
and other "types" of people. HOA's are very limited in evicting people who
live there, just as any other landowner in the US is horribly limited when
evicting people from their properties. Renters can take up to six months to
evict in some places, all the while doing damage. And there's not a thing
the owner can do about it.
Were a HOA foolish enough to want to "evict" a person for personal reasons,
such as "that type" of person, "that/those person(s)" would profit greatly
monetarily from such actions. The person who holds ownership, such as a
bank, is the only one who can "evict."
HOAs can put liens against properties easily for having to clean up in
excess of normal maintenence. They can lien for towing vehicles. They can
lien if the property owner does not comply regarding landscape and such.
Then it all gets settled when the property is sold. They can call in for
excessive noise, child endangerment, child neglect, children left
unattended, underage drinking, the smell of drugs, and anything else that
everyone else can "legally" call the police about. THEY CAN NOT DO A LOT
ABOUT ANYONE THEY "JUST DON'T LIKE". Other than wage a covert war to make
life miserable until the people move out.
Which is what they usually do, and it really does turn into a war. If the
feds get involved, it's usually their side that wins. So, if someone is
stupid enough to violate federal statutes and start a war, they should just
as well go out and play football in a field full of cactuses. Writing
bylaws that describe and outline "that type of people" are digging a hole
from the get go.
You bring up vehicles, property maintenance, and other non-issues. You
apparently don't have children or grandchildren, so you can't emphasize
with people that do.
Besides, why are you responding to my post? Didn't you killfile me over
the 'star drill' thread we had 2 years ago, when you admonished others
to not respond to my "troll" messages? Please killfile me again. Thank you.
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Yes but if you go into the fine print of the details there is still no
permitting of under 21's allowed.
When I lived in Florida I lived in a small HOA of 33 homes. 6.6 homes
were available for under 55. Anyway, the builder sold 7 units to under 55
and there was a possible problem there. Luckily one of those buyers backed
out for financial reasons and the problem never came to hurt us as we would
have lost our adult community status.
TYVM. I shall. I got a new computer and lost that plonk list. I have
three children. One is an interpreter in the Arkansas Justice System. One
is a sergeant in homeland security, I cannot say which city. Babysat Joe
Biden recently. One just finished his masters in industrial psychology, but
still doesn't know what he wants to be when he grows up. I have five
grandchildren I know of. Two are with us this week while their two LEO
parents work the hectic New Year's in a city of over 1.5 million.
Please see my last post where I say it is the child that will suffer most.
And I commend your memory. Boy, have you been holding that inside for two
years? That must hurt. I don't even remember what you're talking about.
You should learn to let go.
Wish I could say it's been nice talking to you.
There's too much worship of precedent. In the case you proposed, the answer
should be: "Because we liked the other kid and we don't like yours." Or
simply give no reason at all.
Years ago, Peter Lawford and his wife Patricia Kennedy tried to buy an
apartment in New York. They were refused. When pressed for a reason, the
housing committee said: "Because he's an actor and she's a Democrat. We
don't want either in our building."
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