Not entirely right. The grandparents are given the option of moving out with the grandchild or else the grandchild will be forced to leave. The child doesn't know the rules or regs of the HOA, the grandparents do and have violated them for 6 years.
Sanity wrote the following:
Yes, and I do use it. Maybe you should read the line that I was questioning? about PROPERTY taxes? You, see, 'STAR' stands for "School TAx Relief ", not "PROPERTY": tax relief, else it would be PTAR, which wouldn't make sense, unless it was pronounced somewhat like pteradactyl, where the P would be silent, but I digress. They are separate taxes where I live in NY. I pay both property taxes and school taxes.
Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @
And what about people that pay taxes for roads even though they don't drive?
"willshak" wrote
.You're kidding, right? HOA rules in writing regarding "those type" of people? But, yes, they are legally able to limit the minimum ages of residents. They can be classified as "visitors", and a time limit put on their stay.
Federal guidelines and laws were enacted in the last decades or so regarding "those types" of people, and a lot of it had to do with minorities, gays, and other "types" of people. HOA's are very limited in evicting people who live there, just as any other landowner in the US is horribly limited when evicting people from their properties. Renters can take up to six months to evict in some places, all the while doing damage. And there's not a thing the owner can do about it.
Were a HOA foolish enough to want to "evict" a person for personal reasons, such as "that type" of person, "that/those person(s)" would profit greatly monetarily from such actions. The person who holds ownership, such as a bank, is the only one who can "evict."
HOAs can put liens against properties easily for having to clean up in excess of normal maintenence. They can lien for towing vehicles. They can lien if the property owner does not comply regarding landscape and such. Then it all gets settled when the property is sold. They can call in for excessive noise, child endangerment, child neglect, children left unattended, underage drinking, the smell of drugs, and anything else that everyone else can "legally" call the police about. THEY CAN NOT DO A LOT ABOUT ANYONE THEY "JUST DON'T LIKE". Other than wage a covert war to make life miserable until the people move out.
Which is what they usually do, and it really does turn into a war. If the feds get involved, it's usually their side that wins. So, if someone is stupid enough to violate federal statutes and start a war, they should just as well go out and play football in a field full of cactuses. Writing bylaws that describe and outline "that type of people" are digging a hole from the get go.
Steve
She is not the responsible one. She is just the one who will suffer.
Steve
And an adult community pays property tax and very little school tax. Why is that different from what you are paying?
Sanity wrote the following:
Adult communities do not pay a reduced rate in school taxes, or do they pay school taxes at all? Residents of the communities pay the taxes, and they get the same advantages, if any, of other state residents wherever they may live, whether in communities, or in remote areas.
Reserve studies started with a mandate from the State of Florida. Lots of HOAs were taking in dues, and not being accountable for them. Either spending too much, disappearing books, or giving sweetheart deals to cronies. Others were not taking in enough, and then owners were being sent special assessments for thousands of dollars when a sewer went out, or pavement needed replaced, or some big ticket item came due, and there wasn't enough money for it.
Nevada adopted a version of Florida's law. Under it, a certified reserve specialist licensed by the State makes a physical inspection of the property. Everything that is paid for out of the dues is photographed, mathematically counted (as square foot of asphalt), given a life span, given a replacement value (such as a pool pump motor). This study is turned in to the next step, which compiles all this on Excel spreadsheets, and the spreadsheets and pictures are sent in book form to the management company or HOA board.
In there are projections that project how much money needs to be collected in order to pay for these things as they wear out. If it is a new property, it is done in a 30 year projection. If it is not, it is prorated on remaining life. Financials are taken into consideration, and they either have or don't have enough money in the bank to be on target for the budget. A POPM is calculated, and that is a Per Owner Per Month. Dues are then either raised, lowered, or remain the same, but the homeowner has an exact report of where their dues are going.
HOA's (which consist of members and the board) can then assess if they want to spend that much on that item, and take a vote. Lately, they have been xeriscaping, and therefore cutting down on lawn maintenance and water bills. These are some ways that they can adjust their budgets. Other items are fixed, and can not be altered, such as painting every X years, or roof repair, or pool replastering, or as now, meeting the new federal mandates regarding pool and spa filter entrapment retrofitting.
In Nevada, dues cannot go up more than 25% in a fiscal HOA year. Smaller studies are required every year on a casual inspection basis, and full studies required every five years. Adjustments to dues can be made every year.
This is to try to be sure there is enough money in the bank to pay for upcoming maintenance and replacement, and to catch anyone who is overspending or giving sweetheart contracts within a year.
It is a state to state basis. All states do not have this requirement.
HTH. Any more questions, ask away.
Steve
Sanity wrote the following:
Well, my area allows children, and even pets. Let's go back to the original message and start over, shall we?
"willshak" wrote
Correction: The ruling elite blames and holds everyone else responsible for the person's problems except for that person.
Steve
Sanity wrote the following:
OK. What about them, and what does it have anything about kids or children in adult communities? Why don't you get some rest and start over tomorrow morning?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote the following:
It sounds like that if you were the grandparents, you wouldn't oppose that order. True?
Are you saying that addiction is purely a matter of "breaking rules"?
Yes or no?
Is that what you are saying?
Science says otherwise, but never mind.
That is an erroneous conclusion.
My overarching point here is that placing the child in foster care is a crap shoot, especially in states like Florida which have had serious problems with their social services agencies. Which would cause the greater harm to society? Putting the kid in a home where she's abused, or a judge telling the HOA that they need to chill for as long as it takes for the grandparents' home to sell?
Sanity wrote the following:
IT"S NOT THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't understand the difference between the 'LAW" and 'rules'. Federal and State laws supersede rules, especially when it comes to discrimination.
There's too much worship of precedent. In the case you proposed, the answer should be: "Because we liked the other kid and we don't like yours." Or simply give no reason at all.
Years ago, Peter Lawford and his wife Patricia Kennedy tried to buy an apartment in New York. They were refused. When pressed for a reason, the housing committee said: "Because he's an actor and she's a Democrat. We don't want either in our building."
JoeSpareBedroom wrote the following:
Joe, I don't want to think the worst of you, but, Pray tell, what is your conclusion, so we can better understand your position? If your grandchild had to live with you, save your reasons to not have him/her live with you, what would you do? Be forced to move out because of some Rule? Better yet, answer this. Do you have children or grand children? Do you want the best for them?
I didn't expect such a long thread with such emphatic advocates on all sides of the issue.
Still, the topic generated some thoughtful analysis, so it wasn't a total waste of time. Amazingly everybody's in agreement that HOAs are the spawn of Satan and those who sit on HOA boards should be cremated and the ashes scattered.
Take no chances.
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