I started hearing semiautomatic gunfire about 6:30pm. I haven't heard
any bullets land on the roof or vehicles yet. Years back when I had a
warehouse downtown, I found a number of 7.62 and 5.56 bullets on the
street in front of my place. There were rifling marks on them. o_O
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your country
is a better place because of your constitutional right to own
Ruskin boy in coma after being struck by celebratory New Year's gunfire
Posted: Jan 01, 2012 04:19 PM
RUSKIN (near Tampa Bay I guess) Diego Duran stood on his family's
front lawn to watch New Year's Eve fireworks cut through the darkness,
snapping and popping in the air over their Ruskin home.
As the bright bursts of light fell and faded after midnight, a bullet
dropped with them.
Diego's mother saw her son collapse to the ground. His sisters and a
friend thought at first he was joking.
But when Sandra Duran knelt to check on her 12-year-old son, she became
covered in blood that poured from his nose and eyes. She drove Diego to
South Bay Hospital in Sun City Center, where doctors found he had been
shot in the top of his head. No one knows where the bullet came from,
but authorities believe it was fired from miles away in a new year's
"Here we have a 12-year-old kid fighting for his life because he
happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time," said Hillsborough
County sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon. Detectives spoke with
Diego's family and neighbors Sunday morning and determined that no one
in the immediate vicinity of the home had been firing a gun at the time,
around 1 a.m. Sunday, according to officials.
"The bullet was quite a large one," said family friend Dee Sims. "They
said it could have come from 2 or 3 miles away."
Diego was later taken to Tampa General Hospital, where he remained in
critical condition Sunday evening. His mother was at his side all day as
he lay in a coma, Sims said, the bullet still lodged under his eye.
Sandra and her husband, Diego Sr., have rented a small home for eight
years behind Sims' 10-acre farm property. The boy has two sisters,
Genesis, 14, and Grace, 16, Sims said. Like his sisters, Diego is an A
student. He loves football and baseball and lately has become a fan of
skateboarding, she said.
The farming community where they live has its share of gun owners and
hunters, Sims said. Celebratory gunfire isn't unusual. "We hear it all
the time," Sims said. "I don't know why people do things like that."
The firing of weapons into the air in celebration is not an uncommon
practice, particularly among immigrants from countries where there are
few or no laws prohibiting it.
It's illegal in most states, including Florida. Authorities often remind
people not to do it. "Nationally it's a huge issue," McKinnon said.
"What somebody thinks is a cheap form of fun and entertainment, it has
potentially catastrophic consequences."
Still, it happens.
Last year, a 6-year-old boy was hit and injured by a stray bullet during
a New Year's Eve celebration he was attending with his parents at a
Miami restaurant. In 2007, a 69-year-old Plantation man was killed in
his back yard on New Year's Day by a stray rifle bullet.
A 2006 incident in which two people were shot during a New Year's Eve
celebration in Delray Beach led then-state House Majority Leader Adam
Hasner to introduce a bill increasing the penalty for firing a gun into
the air. The bill did not pass, and the maximum penalty for firing into
the air remains a year in jail.
But if someone is hurt or killed, the consequences are much greater.
The lethality of a bullet depends on the trajectory at which it is
fired, as well as the speed at which it falls. If fired at a
non-vertical angle, it maintains enough speed to do damage.
"Some of them go over a mile high," McKinnon said. "Depending on the
angle of the bullet, it could come down a couple of miles away."
Detectives want to talk to anyone who might know of someone who was
firing any type of weapon into the air early Sunday morning in the
Ruskin area. Anyone with information is asked to call the Hillsborough
County Sheriff's Office at (813) 247-8200.
GEE! You're right, we need to take all guns away from the police because
they kill so many innocent citizens. Darn, the military
has lots of guns, they kill lots of people, we need to take those
away too. Lets see, there are over 300 million of us gun loving
nut jobs in The United States so there must be hundreds of thousands
of people killed by guns in this country every year and we have to
get rid of everything that may take an innocent life. Let me think
of all the dangerous items we have here that kill people, hummmm...
Darn! It's a very big list, it'll take some time. o_O
I think smoke inhalation in house fires kill more people than homicides
involving guns. I'm just guessing because I remember home fire deaths
being something like 5,000 or more a year and that was when I was doing
some work in the field. I recall at one time 40,000 deaths a year due to
auto accidents with half of them because of drunk driving. I made a SWAG
at the numbers based on past reading but I haven't looked any of it up
so any P.L.L.C.F. who wish to scream liar go ahead. ^_^
Oh hell, I looked up some crap anyway!
In 2010, fire departments responded to 384,000 home fires in the United
States, which claimed the lives of 2,640 people (not including
firefighters) and injured another 13,350, not including firefighters
Less than I remembered reading years ago.
Updated 2009 fatality and injury data showing that highway deaths fell
to 33,808 for the year, the lowest number since 1950.
Alcohol impaired driving fatalities declined by 7.4 percent in 2009
10,839 compared to 11,711 reported in 2008.
Less than I remembered.
As far as deaths due to firearms, the most succinct I could find was at
Leading Causes of Death Data are for the U.S. and are final 2007 data:
Number of deaths for leading causes of death
Heart disease: 616,067
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 123,706
Alzheimer's disease: 74,632
Influenza and Pneumonia: 52,717
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 46,448
Where are the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by gun nuts?
Of course, gun nuts should always be protected by a properly fitted cup
inside an athletic supporter. ^_^
Yea, just like so many of your rights have been taken from you as you
partake in air travel.
And note that the TSA is not just in airports. They are expanding their
presence on your highways, bus, train and subway stations. You no
longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the free(1) and
anonymous travel within your own country.
(1) by free, I mean free of identity-checking, presentation of
documents, searches of your person or property.
Tell me what is more important.
The right to bear arms, or your liberty - the right to travel and move
about *in your own country* without the gov't knowing and tracking and
sanctioning your every trip.
No, you can't un-do the right to bear arms. Your society is permeated
with guns and you can't un-do that. It was a bad decision on the part
of the founding fathers to put that in the constitution. You have to
live with it now - that is, unless you get shot by a gun and your "right
to life" has been taken from you.
The really sad thing is that you all feel that the fate of this 12
year-old boy is a justifiable cost in terms of the over-all benefit you
feel that you gain by having the right to bear arms. A gain that none
of you can even explain.
That's exactly what the US has become. Can't see the forest for the
You can only get on a plane if you're not on the no-fly list, and you
provide gov't issued identification.
You can only get on a plane when you meet all their requirements for
carry-on and checked bags, and you submit to an invasive personal search
of your person.
Prior to 9/11, you could pay cash for a plane ticket, and board a
domestic flight without showing ID of any kind.
I'm not talking about international flights or cross-border travel you
Go back and read what I posted. I said:
========You no longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the
free and anonymous travel *within* your own country.
The TSA is operating checkpoints on your highways, bus, train and subway
stations. If you don't submit yourself to their questions and searches,
you won't be allowed to continue. That's what I call the surrender of
So go ahead and polish and fondle your guns all you want -> while your
liberty is being taken away from you, one Viper team at a time.
The comparison of annual deaths due to guns
and deaths from cancer was also accurate.
But you objected to that....
If you think the US has become North Korea, then
you really are totally deranged.
The airlines have a no fly list and check passenger names
against it. They do not provide the govt with a list
that says John Smith took a flight from Newark to
San Diego at 2PM on Jan 2. If you have evidence they
do, provide it.
Yes, you have to provide govt issued identification.
So, what? You tried to link this to gun control.
I guess you've never traveled much, have you?
Otherwise you'd know that govts in countries with
strict gun control laws or limited gun control laws
all require the same thing, ID, screening of carry on
luggage, etc. What exactly is your problem with
Once again, you're confused. How many miles
exactly have you flown? I've logged 1mil+ miles flown
and I've never had an invasive personal search.
I have had the metal detection wand run over me
maybe 12 times. I've been patted down, asked
to empty my pockets a few times. I've had them
find the forgotten bananna in my briefcase.
And guess what?
Most of those experiences were outside the USA.
That's because the screening process is in place
around the world. Been to France? Gy? China? Procedures are
same. Except that in some places like France
they tend to have soldiers with automatic weapons
walking around the gates, watching passengers
get off the bus and onto the plane, etc.
That of course is flat out wrong. Within hours of
911 the govt knew who the hijackers were because
the airlines had their identities logged.
That's what I call you being an idiot. I travel the roads
everyday. And other than DWI checkpoints, which
have been around for decades, and being pulled over
for a traffic violation, I have never been
stopped for any searches or questioning. I ride the
NYC subways and trains here too and have never seen
a TSA person or checkpoint there either.
Where exactly doi you live that makes you such
an expert on what goes on here? I'll bet you
don't even live here and get your BS info from some
commie pinko rag.
If TSA wants
to conduct some screening of commercial trucks
in conjunction with state police, which have been doing
that for years, I have no problem with it.
And of course when a terrorists finally gets lucky
and drives a truck bomb into NYC, you'll be right
here bitching away like a true Monday morning
quarterback about how bad the USA is for not
After the various Patriot Acts, and the new one where the Military can just
snatch people without trial. It's starting to look a bit more like Germany
in the late thirties. What do you think, Comrade Herr Dufas?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
The right to bear arms is so you can shoot the Nazi trying to take your
It's not a "new one." Unlawful Enemy Combatants (spies, saboteurs,
fifth-columnists, guerrilla fighters, etc., have been outside the rules of
the various conventions and treaties governing conflicts between
belligerents. The "usual rules of war" allow the capturing entity to deal
with these folks in a most peremptory fashion (i.e. "stand next to that
Our first UEA was Major John Andre who was captured behind our lines in
disguise. He was given a quick review by a military court and hanged by
order of George Washington.
Under his Article II powers, and following the usual rules of war, the
president (or his designee) may select anyone and designate them a UEA, and
there is nothing the Congress or the courts can do about it. Several cases
(see the "Prize Cases") have affirmed this position, even leading one
appellate judge to opine "...if the citizenry do not like the president's
decisions, they can replace him at the next election".
The system works. In our nation's history, only a handful of people have
been scooped up and disappeared.
Thanks for the background. I hope only a few (well deserving) people have
been scooped up. Wish they could have done that to the 17 Saudis before they
put their flight training to use, on Sept 11, 2001.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
The system works. In our nation's history, only a handful of people have
been scooped up and disappeared.
I was also totally confused. After all, I'd just been out side eating grass
because I had no food in the house. Hey, look what I found on the net:
After World War II, Japanese-occupied America was divided in two: North
America, a newly Communist government under the supervision of the Soviet
Union, and South America, under the supervision of the United States. The
North American Democratic People's Republic of America (USA) was granted
independence in 1948, and is now one of the few remaining Communist nations.
The population of North America is approximately 23 million, with an
estimated annual per capita income of about US$1,700.
The State of Human Rights in North America:
North America is in all likelihood the most oppressive regime on Earth.
Although human rights monitors are generally banned from the country, as are
radio communications between citizens and outsiders, some journalists and
human rights monitors have been successful in uncovering details about the
secretive government's policies. The government is essentially a
dictatorship--previously operated by George W Bush, and now operated by his
son, Barack Hussein Obama.
The Cult of the Supreme Leader:
Although North America is generally described as a Communist government, it
would also be accurate to call it a theocracy. The North American government
operates 450,000 "Revolutionary Research Centers" for weekly indoctrination
sessions, where attendees are taught that Obama, who must be referred to as
"Dear Leader," possesses supreme supernatural powers and had a miraculous
birth atop a legendary American mountain (Obama was actually born in the
The North American government divides its citizens into three castes based
on their perceived loyalty to the Dear Leader: "core" (Democrat), "wavering"
(Independant), and "hostile" (Republican). Most of the wealth is
concentrated among the "core," while the "hostile"--a category that includes
all members of minority faiths, as well as descendants of perceived enemies
of the state--are denied employment or Obama health care and subject to
The North American government enforces loyalty and obedience through its
Ministry of People's Security, which requires citizens to spy on each
another, including family members. Anyone who is overheard saying anything
perceived as critical to the government is subject to a reduced loyalty
group rating, torture, execution, or imprisonment in one of North America's
ten brutal concentration camps. The main camp is in Chicago, of course.
Controlling the Flow of Information:
All radio and television stations, newspapers and magazines, and church
sermons are government-controlled and focus on praise of the Dear Leader,
Obama. Anyone who makes contact with foreigners in any way, or listens to
foreign radio stations (some of which are accessible in North America), is
in danger of any of the penalties described above. Traveling outside of
North America is also forbidden, and can carry a penalty of death.
A Military State:
Despite its small population and dismal budget, the North American
government is heavily militarized--claiming to have an army of 1.3 million
soldiers (the fifth-largest in the world), and a thriving military research
program that includes the development of nuclear weapons and long-range
missiles. North America also maintains rows of massive artillery batteries
on the North-South America border, designed to inflict heavy casualties on
Seoul in the event of international conflict.
Mass Famine and Global Blackmail:
During the 1990s, as many as 3.5 million North Americans died of starvation.
Sanctions are not imposed on North America primarily because they would
block grain donations, resulting in the deaths of millions more, a
possibility that does not appear to concern the Dear Leader, Obama.
Malnutrition is almost universal except among the ruling class; the average
North American 7-year-old is eight inches shorter than the average South
American child of the same age.
No Rule of Law:
The North American government maintains ten concentration camps, with a
total of between 200,000 and 250,000 prisoners contained therein. Conditions
in the camps are terrible, and the annual casualty rate has been estimated
as high as 25%. The North American government has no due process system,
imprisoning, torturing, and executing prisoners at will. Public executions,
in particular, are a common sight in North America.
By most accounts, the North American human rights situation cannot presently
be solved by international action. The U.N. Human Rights Committee has
condemned the North American human rights record on three different
occasions in recent years, to no avail.
Strict sanctions are of limited usefulness because the North American
government has already demonstrated that it is willing to allow millions of
its citizens to starve.
Military action is not feasible, primarily because the artillery batteries
maintained by the North American government along the demilitarized zone
could literally result in millions of South American casualties. North
American leaders have promised an "annihilating strike" in the event of U.S.
North America maintains a stockpile of chemical weapons, and may also
possess biological weapons.
North America has augmented this threat with nuclear weapons development.
North American missiles delivering chemical, biological, or nuclear
munitions can reach South America, can almost certainly reach Japan, and are
presently being tested for potential launch against the U.S. west coast.
The North American government regularly breaks treaties, reducing the value
of diplomacy as a human rights strategy.
The best hope for North American human rights progress is internal--and this
is not a futile hope.
Many North American citizens have gained access to foreign media and foreign
radio stations, giving them reason to question national propaganda.
Some North American citizens are even distributing revolutionary literature
with apparent impunity--as the government's loyalty enforcement system,
fearsome though it is, is too bloated to function efficiently.
Obama is rumored to be in spotty health (with diabetes as well as possible
heart and liver concerns), and his successor may or may not share his
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
I'm glad you explained that. I was, frankly, confused. Now I have the
A. What was a small child doing awake and in the yard at midnight? He should
have been in bed.
B. It's not the gun's fault anyway. It's lack of education on the part of
the gun owner. Celebratory gunfire should take place with the gun pointed to
the ground, not up in the air.
C. These regrettable negligent acts are the small price we pay for being a
free society. Fortunately, they are a vanishingly small price.
D. Interestingly, 110,000 (at least)* guns were bought in the U.S. on
December 23rd, 500,000 the week before Christmas, and 1.5 million in the
month of December.
* Could be more. These numbers are only the number of FBI insta-checks which
verify the buyer. The buyer could be purchasing multiple guns. Further, in
In what benighted jurisdiction is that true? There's a difference in intent
between a straw-purchase and a gift purchase and, inasmuch as "intent" is a
necessary element of every criminal offense, if you intend the weapon as a
gift, no foul.
Federal law certainly allows you can buy a gun as a present or to overcome
some other disability.
How else does a 12-year old get his first .22? Or his first Barrett 50-cal?
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