On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:08:51 AM UTC-5, Benedict Arnold wrote:
Yup, and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it. Ever tried to herd cats? American consumers are looking for ONE thing: Cheapest price.
Even if the Made in USA product is only $1 more, they will buy the China product because it is cheaper. Gotta save money. Bad economy, you know...
What we're doing over there is turning the Chinese people into a bunch of fat, lazy, greedy capitalists just like us. They're getting a little walkin' around money, and they're going to want more. They're gonna get wind that they're being paid jack for slave labor, and they're going to want more.
We've already seen indications in the iPhone factory riot. We're already seeing manufacturing moving back here due to incessant quality issues.
Right-wing wacko nutjobs think the only way to stop Communism is to march in there with guns blazing. We beat the USSR by simply out-spending them. We will beat China by buying them with their own money.
On 12/17/2012 11:53 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
lazy, greedy capitalists just like us. They're getting a little walkin' around
money, and they're going to want more. They're gonna get wind that they're being
paid jack for slave labor, and they're going to want more.
there with guns blazing. We beat the USSR by simply out-spending them. We will
beat China by buying them with their own money.
After the Apocalypses on Saturday it won't matter anyway.
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:08:51 -0500, Benedict Arnold
You are sort of right about the consumer.
Unfortunately, there are few options at times. Have you tried to buy
a toaster not made in China? You can't. I'm not sure if even the
$250 Dualit is still made in England. I spent nearly $300 for a coffee
maker made in Norway, everything else is China.
1. And China has a trade deficit with India and India has a trade deficit
with the U.S. It averages out.
2. Now you tell me, which of these products would you rather have:
A. 33-Piece Security Bit Set, $5.99, from Harbor Freight
B. 33-Piece Security Bit Set, $9.79, from Parts Express
C. Titan/33 Piece Security Bit Set, $7.99, from Autozone
So, you might have one GOOD hammer and are confronted with cutting a board.
What do you do?
Every tool, EVERY SINGLE TOOL, I've bought from HF has been acceptable and
did an acceptable, if not perfect, job.
I recall the old saying: "It's a poor workman that blames the tool."
I go out and buy a good saw. Now I have two good tools.
I don't want a shitty tool any more than I want a shitty firearm or a
shitty bottle of liquor. It isn't worth the annoyance.
Like my friend lying under his dismantled car engine when his shitty
socket broke said, "This shitty tool came with a lifetime warranty, but
I don't want a lifetime warranty right now, I want a socket that isn't
broken in half."
Or the lifetime of the company that sold it.... -)
I had (still have, in fact) a set of Craftsman taps and dies -
maybe a hundred little pieces.
FWIW, an essential part of such a set is the box that they come
in that organizes them.
With mine, the plastic in the box somehow degraded over time and
the whole thing just sort of disintegrated.
Took it back to Sears and "Sorry, we only guarantee tools, not
Lots of people seem to think of Harbor Freight in the same manner as they
think of lauan and poplar; i.e., unuseable junk. I'm not one of those
people, like all three. I really miss the ability to go buy nice lauan
boards for whatever.
Regarding HF tools, I occasionally have the need to drill holes in concrete.
When I have that urge I use my $31 HF hammer drill. I could have bought a
"good" one for $100 - $150 but why?
Every decade or so I have had a need to step down an area of concrete. When
I do I use a HF angle grinder with a diamond blade to make close together
scores so I can break them out. The whole works cost me $15. I do have a
better angle grinder but I particularly like the HF one because it has an
accessory foot - like a circular saw - so that the depths of all cuts is the
same. It can get pretty hot but if I burn it out I can replace it cheaply
if I need to.
I have a HF lathe. Works fine. So do the HF chisels. In fact, they work
just like some better ones I have.
I have some nice German bar clamps. I hate them. I also have a bunch of HF
bar clamps. I like them fine.
Ojala que viva Harbor Freight.
I agree. Some of what they have is real junk. But
they have a lot of the kind of tools that a typical homeowner
might need once in 5 or 10 years at cheap prices.
Some recent examples are pipe strap wrenches and a
tailpipe expander. They also have things like cable ties,
heat shrink tubing, at a fraction of the cost that you would
pay at HD. I bought a complete portable sandblaster
for like $80. I used it on my stamped concrete patio
and it did the job. I could not even find anyone else
selling one locally.
Now, if I wanted say an air compressor that I was going
to use frequently, like a contractor, would I buy that at
HF? Hell no. You just have to be a smart shopper,
selective and use some common sense.
My sentiments exactly. If I expect a tool to be a one-time use, I'll
go for the best price and just to check that it wll be adequate for
that one use. But if I was buying a hammer that gets used at least
monthly, then I'll look at long-term quailty vs cost.
Clamps are one place not to scrimp. It's a RPITA when you have glue
all over everything and the clamp breaks, sending glue all over
everything. Yes, I've had many HF clamps break. No more. They've
been replaced by Besseys and Irwins.
I find the HF clamps are more than capable of enough pressure to
secure a wood joint without squeezing all the glue out of the joint
while it dries. The rubber pads and light weight bars should be your
first clue they are not meant to squeeze the crap out of something.
That's what cast iron pipe clamps and C-clamps are for. Learn to
choose the right tool for the job.
Everyone appreciates a quality tool. If you have unlimited cash to buy
the tool that gives you bragging rights then by all means buy the very
best, expense be damned.
I find HF tools more than adequate for the jobs I do around my house.
The cost difference between the bragging rights brand and the HF brand
is enough to make the difference between having the right tool for the
job or not and knowing the difference.
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