Yeah, those disgusting ads on TV should have been a clue that VW was
an immoral company. A thorough investigation is necessary.
When the congressional Benghazi committee wraps it up in the next
10-12 years, they should take this up.
They'll get to the bottom of it.
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 21:13:49 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:
I realize some things are "political", but is *this* issue really a
Isn't it simply that CARB & the EPA have procedures which are backed up
by force of law (admittedly, made by Congress), which VW broke?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:22:32 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:
Thanks for explaining.
I just wonder why many people think EVERYTHING is caused by one party
or the other.
In this case, VW simply cheated.
They broke laws on purpose.
And they repeatedly lied (probably to avoid detection).
All to make money.
At the expense of everyone else.
If I was a competitor, I'd be livid that I had to spend money to meet
a standard that VW didn't even bother to meet, and yet profited for
years by not meeting.
I cannot imagine a big corporation intentionally doing something like
that and figure they would not get caught. Too many people work on
projects like that and superiors have to sign off. The cost t fix it is
in the billions and for what?
In a corporation that size, even a small cadre could have been 20 to 50
engineers. Someone had to come up with the idea, design, build, test,
and approve everything. The guys on the line installing would probably
have no idea, just another part. Higher level in engineering would know.
The only real change is in the code map in the ECM. They basically had a
"normal" map for constant driving and a "test map" that only engaged
when undergoing tests. I would bet it took fewer that 10 people to do
the entire thing.
You need to consider that the engineers already know how to make the
engine run and get good mileage and wrote the software to do that.
However that programming didn't pass the EPA testing.
The actual program change is easy. It could be hidden just about
anywhere but is likely very simple.
IF the engine is running at XXX rpm but there is a connector in the OBD
test port, with no input from the steering rack and the parking brake is
set, add 2% fuel enrichment to the drive cycle.
Extra fuel cools the fuel burn and drops the NOx to legal limits. Car
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 10:19:31 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
That will probably come out at some point in the future. If I had
to guess, I'd say that like many things like this, they probably
didn't start out intending to cheat. They probably thought that
their TDI diesels could meet EPA without using the urea system that
MB and other manufacturers use. That would give VW a cost advantage,
a marketing advantage, etc. It may turn out that the cheating
started when they couldn't deliver on the promise and had a lot
already sunk into investment, bragging, marketing, etc. That's just
a guess, we'll have to wait and see.
And in this case I think the damage to VW will be way beyond
what it would have been to most other auto companies. A lot
of the VW buyers are the hippie, tree hugger type and half of
them are probably driving their cars to the junk yard right
They shouldn't be parking in the special parking spaces for
low emission vehicles. The Missouri welcome center on southbound
I-29 near Rock Port has the parking spaces next to the ones for
It looks like a waste of six parking spaces and sign material
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:19:10 +0000, Ewald Böhm wrote:
What I don't understand is that VW had to submit test results from a
(supposedly) independent company in Europe to get certified in Europe
for the 11 million cars that might be affected.
They apparently contracted that job out to Applus Idiada of Spain.
Has anyone any idea how Applus Idiada verified the wrong numbers?
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