Spot checking of modified vehicles at large "car shows" has been
promised, and reported. Just because your car is registered as a 1927
model "T" ford does not mean it is exempt from emissions testing if it
has a 2009 Chevy LT between the frame rails.
Officially it needs to meet the requirements for the 2009 vehicle the
LT was originally supplied for (determined by the engine number).
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 1:20:30 PM UTC-4, Steve W. wrote:
EPA should require vw to buy back every vehicle for its original purchase price and monitor them being crushed....
now its true vw might go bankrupt, but given its harsh penalty no car company will ever try to pull it again..
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:59:23 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
And all the ordinary people, the hundreds of thousands of workers
that lose their jobs, health benefits, retirement, etc, being a lib,
you're OK with that? Seems the punishment is worse than the crime,
especially since only a negligible percentage of all the people
involved with VW worldwide had anything to do with this and they
get hit just like the small number that did the deed.
Criminal prosecution of those who knowingly did this would be fine.
But fining the car company to make you feel good is stupid. It would
hurt tens of thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with
this. That's why the way Obama and his corrupt justice department
handled the banking crisis was so stupid. None of teh guilty went to
jail so none of the people responsible suffered at all. But with the
big fines lots of people who had nothing to do with the wrongdoing get
screwed financially, employees in branches wound up laid off,
stockholders lost money, pension funds lost money, etc, etc.
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 04:42:00 +0000 (UTC), Ewald Böhm
I'm pretty sure VW will be required to put some kind of "code" in
their "fixed" system's computer. If you don't get it fixed they will
know at the inspection station that it's not fixed and will fail you.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:45:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Very few states use OBD emissions testing, and certainly California
doesn't yet, where California is fining VW along with the EPA.
Most use tailpipe testing.
Some, like California, run the car through the Federal Test Procedure
on a dynomometer.
Given thats at least three different procedures (where each state can
easily be different), I don't see *how* the engine computer *knows* it's
being tested for emissions.
Since almost no states use the OBD method, that's why I asked how the car
knows it is being tested.
How do you figure that "almost no states use OBD" testing. In fact most
of the states do not use a dyno any longer.
Alaska, Arizona, California (in areas that require "enhanced" emissions
testing), Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky,
Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri (St. Louis), Nevada, New Hampshire, North
Carolina, Oregon, Texas (Houston and Dallas/Ft. Worth), Utah (Salt Lake
City), Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin, New Jersey, New York (in areas
that require emissions testing), Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh and
Philadelphia) and Virginia ALL use some type of OBD II testing, some use
both OBD II and tailpipe.
As to how it knows it's being tested. Simple, as soon as the OBD test
link gets plugged into the port it starts asking the ECM which protocol
it communicates with. Emissions testing uses a specific test protocol,
that doesn't query ALL of the systems on the vehicle. Easy enough to
tell the ECM - When this protocol is queried activate this programming.
No different than the way software is set up in some cars to change the
driving parameters based on different "modes" or valet keys or key fob type.
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 5:30:51 AM UTC-4, Steve W. wrote:
I guess that's the list. I know for sure here in NJ they use OBD
for emissions compliance testing. Back in the days of Christie Whitman,
we spent several hundred million dollars installing dynos and tailpipe
testing eqpt in all the state owned inspection facilities. They
gave the contract to some out of state hacks that screwed it up
royally, it took years longer to get working, etc. At the time,
most of us thought it was stupid and that Whitman should have stood
up to the feds, who shoved it down our throats, fought against it, etc.
After it was working, within just a few years, the EPA switched to
using OBD. Of course they had to have know this was coming, it
just didn't pop up overnight. So, just a few years after the dynos
and all the gear went in, they ripped it all out and junked it.
Today, we finally have some sanity. NJ used to check for everything,
from horn, to front end, to headlight aiming. Now they just check
for emissions, they don't even check for cracked windshields or brakes
anymore. The inspection is good for 2 years. New cars don't have to
be inspected for 5 years. Two of my vehicles, an older Mercedes diesel
and my Harley no longer have to be inspected at all, ever again. Yipeee!
CT had the testing contracted out and EVERY car had to be done. It was a
money maker for the testing company. Now it is done by local authorized
garages and they comply with the 5 year rule. I forget the numbers, but
in the first few years, 99.999% of new cars pass the test but paid the
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