"Due To A Poor Harvest Season, We're Experiencing Shortages On Many (2025 Update)

Jul 17, 2019 Last reply: 8 months ago 59 Replies

We've seen that before, most obviously when the Vikings colonised Iceland and Greenland.

Ditto.

They have shifted much more in the past with the ice ages, stupid.

They have shifted much more in the past with the ice ages, stupid.

Nothing even remotely like the hundreds of feet seen in the past, stupid.

Nothing like the Federation Drought here.

Just because some fool claims something...

Problem is that it isnt even possible to manage that sort of problem.

We got the Federation Drought and the Goyder Line without doing that.

No evidence that draining the swamp produced that.

It clearly didn’t with St Petersburg which was built on a swamp.

A drought is not enough water and a flood is too much water. You don't need to be a genius to figure out if you store excess water you can use it later. Nature does a pretty good job of that by recharging aquifers and storing water in wetlands. It is when man "improves" the land, usually for development or agriculture that this balance gets disrupted.

Problem is the immense cost of doing that Its just not feasible where we see the worst floods.

And yet we see floods and droughts anyway.

That's bullshit too. We improved things heaps since the Federation Drought and the Goyder Line and get a much better result now than we did then.

Widely is a relative term, what are you talking about 1%? less than that? No doubt it would work, virtually anything that is a gas at STP will but the pressures are still a concern. Normal HVAC components are not rated at the 1000 PSI or higher that you see in a CO2 system. What are they going to be using. Stainless Steel tubing and coils?

3/8" ASTM 280 copper (refrigerant tubing) is only rated around 840 PSI. Demonstration projects are always interesting but just because NASA can make a million dollar hydrogen fuel cell, does not mean it makes sense for a homeowner.

Here being the US and real food not being corn. Most of our fruits and produce is imported. We even import citrus in Florida. There is a big packing plant in Naples/Bonita that ships boxes saying "packed in Naples Florida" but if you watch the operation, those cardboard boxes are being packed with fruit grown in Mexico.

California produces a large amount as do the midwest states (e.g. wild rice, peas, corn for human consumption, wheat, dry beans, oats, soybeans, apples etc.). And of course a lot of the field corn is used as animal feed, and so far as I'm aware, milk, beef, pork and chicken are all "food".

You'll need to provide some citations to back your assertions, because the word "most" in your statement is far from accurate.

F*ck all of the grain, milk etc is.

And on a recent drive to Bruce county, the roadside elderberry bushes were bloomin' beautiful ! ... not sure if that is any indication of a good crop , though. John T.

Haw were Kansas and Oklahoma and Texas supposed to store (or manage) the water that turned their feilds into swimming pools so they can use it in july and augist next year when they go 65 days without water? Yes, wetland mamagement helps - but cannot alleviate either flood or drought.

What can man do to keep the mississip from lapping at the tops of the dykes around the big easy?

It's CLIMATE CHANGE in it's most obvious form

Wrong. Too bad you cannot comprehend the science, or believe the ones that can.

elderberry fritters!!!!! YUMMM!!! (For those who don't know - they are made usingthe FLOWERS of the elderberry.) Elderberry pie is good too (uses the berry) and I hear elderberry wine is pretty good too - - - -

Are you really stupid enough to think that the tiny amount of freon that might be used in coolers can compare in any way to the 9.7 billion or more tons released from fossil fuel burning each year?

You actually think that the coal burned to run those air conditioners isn't thousands of times the a/C coolant usage? Coolant that is very much controlled to avoid release.

Methane released in oil and natural gas production also drastically affects warming more that any small amount of freon released.

Incredible!

And I use NO air conditioning.

St Petersburg Florida? That was and is high ground, It was never a swamp.

I am talking about draining the center and southern part of the state that was a swamp. That started during the 20s but went into high gear during the Hoover and FDR administrations when they channelized the Caloosahatchee river, the Kissimmee river, dug the St Lucie canal and dozens of canals around the Everglades to shuttle the water out to sea as fast as possible. Lake Okeechobee was totally re engineered. Now we end up with toxic water from as far north pouring into Lake O and causing algae blooms on both coasts.

Bullshit NOLA floods because it is below sea level and FEMA dropped the ball after Katrina when they ignored their own rules and let them build back that way. Maybe we should have dug a shitload of lakes along the Mississippi, barged the dirt down to NOLA to get them above the mandated FEMA flood plane and used the lakes to store excess water. I would suggest injecting the excess water into the ogallala aquifer that is falling by the day but the water we have is too polluted to infect the fossil water in the aquifer with.

Maybe we should be talking about your heat bill.

I recalled prior use of ammonia and sulfur dioxide. Leaks would be a serious problem. Now I see many are using hydrocarbons like propane:

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I recall the early days of switching to non-CFC's where the situation was like adding ethanol to gasoline in that seals and the like that were affected had to be redesigned and changed.

The dykes can move to Canada. That's a win-win.

St Petersburg Russia, stupid.

St Petersburg Russia was.

And doing that didn’t produce droughts and floods there.

While you are right that the pressures are high CO2 was widely used before CFC's were introduced.

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