I’m in a condo with 30 year old copper pipes for sinks and toilets. Strata council wants to make a new bylaw that we all have to use braided stainless steel instead. After trying to do a bit of research, I'm still unclear as to what the advantage would be of switching them all out, and if it’s really necessary. There is a plumber on the council, but I’d just like a second opinion, and thank you very much in advance!
Do I really need to replace copper water supply pipes?
Oct 25, 2021
Last reply: 4 years ago
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Makes sense to replace them when you have to do work on them for any reason. Unless there is a high failure rate for some reason, it is a waste of resources except for the plumber who will profit.
Expected life of copper tubing is 70+ years. I'd fight it.
I'm sorry. Since Ed posted, I would be a third opinion. Is that alright?
Are you sure they don't just want you to replace the rubber washing machine hoses with braided stainless steel? That's a good idea, that I learned about after one of my hoses sprang a leak and sprayed all over. (In the basement but I heard the pipe humming on the second floor when I woke up in the morning. I wonder how long it had been doing this. )
What's a strata council? Where do you live?
on the council, but I?d just like a second opinion, and thank you very much in advance!
I think they are saying "if you have the white ones you need braid". Old school copper to the fixture is the gold standard. Everything else is something that will work, without needing to understand working with copper. Like Ed says, if the plumber talks you into hoses, use braid.
If they are talking about the connection to fixtures (which is about the only plasce braided stainless steel is used) and you are in an earthquake zone the insurance company MAY require it for earthquake and/or water damage coverage. I have heard some places are requiring it for water heater replacements as well
Tnat makes sense. We don't even have earthquakes in Baltimore, but one day I went out for 2 hours and when I got home, the tube to the powder room toilet was leaking, spraying pretty badly. Pouring into the basement, the 12" floor tiles in the powder room and many in the front hhall were no longer glued to the floor!!!! The two that moved I put ba ck in place and I voided them for several days and they look as good as they used to, but it could have been much much worse.
I replaced with another tube like the first one! Slow learner.
We've had them fail disastrously a lot faster than that at work, and you couldn't just fix a leak, we kept chasing the pipes looking for a solid piece to connect to. So local water conditions maybe have an effect? I don't know what caused it.
Anyway, I have braided stainless on my wash machine, like most people in our area. But braids aren't water tight. They have rubber inside, and it seems like that would have a much shorter life span than copper.
You need flexible connectors for the washing machine as it may move around in use but sinks and toilets make no sense.
As Ed points out copper will last a long time. Our well water is said to limit copper life but mine is 45 years ago and I was told by a plumber to replace it twenty years ago and have not had a leak since.
One neighbor did it with PEX and had leaks at the connections and another with CPVC and discovered it is brittle when hanging on to it under a sink when it broke.
It seems to me that demanding "braided stainless steel" [covered] flex lines would be pretty crazy if there are not some sort of certification on the lines. A company could produce braided stainless steel covered lines that are absolute crap. What alloy of "stainless steel"? What wire gage used in making the braid? How well is the braid anchored to the fittings? What is the overall tensile strength of the line? What is the age limit of the assembly (replace by [date])? How much flex-testing and pressure-testing must be done to meet the certification?
It sounds like you're being asked to make a new bylaw that requires replacing something with unknown-quality something.
on the council, but I?d just like a second opinion, and thank you very much in advance!
Welcome to HOA/Condo life. Unqualified people regularly make rules with the force of (civil) law.
This problem, like most others, will be solved when leftists are rounded up and eradicated.
I wonder how long it will be before someone reports this nut to the FBI?
He's been posting his nonsense for two decades or more. I suspect they're well aware of him, and consider him harmless.
What do leftists have to do with leaking rubber hoses?
Cindy Hamilton
Blake's a fool and an asshole. He spouts this stuff all the time.
Call him on his "eradication" comments and he runs away with his tail between his legs.
Just another troll.
I love to troll a troll.
Cindy Hamilton
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