Diesel generator, 2 questions

I never heard of that before. It makes sense though, and all that is needed is a little extra heat in the cylinder.

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Dale Eastman
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Propane Torch will heat enough air going down the intake to fire even at

-30F, if your fuel will run thru the injector pump and injectors. You want very slow Rpm untill the Base Oil comes up to temp and is pumping around the oil system with good pressure. Most small diesel gensets don't have glowplugs or heaters, especialy if they are of the 3600 rpm variety. I use this option on my single cyl Fairbanks/Morse 1200 rpm

3Kw genset all winter long and it fires as soon as I drop the compression release. Same with my DJA and MDJA Onans. Both those have glowplugs, as well has Air Heaters builtin, but I prefer the Propane Torch as you don't have to crank more than one or two revolutions before they fire. Starting Fluid is for flatlanders, who don't know any better.

Bruce in alaska

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Bruce in Alaska

No Dufus, your not heating the engine, or the Base Oil, your heating the AIR Going down the Intake Pipe, and it doesn't takebut few seconds to fire up a diesel engine.

Me

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Me

Do you mean burning propane or not burning?

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Reply to
Ignoramus26015

Ah, thanks, that's a great idea, I like it.

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Ignoramus26015

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An idle question from somebody who will probably never own, much operate a diesel in the winter: would using gasoline as the fuel get around the fuel-gelling problem? Clearly the stuff wouldn't jell...but would a small diesel run on it? Maybe store it with an empty tank, pour a half cup of gasoline in to start, then pour in diesel once it's warmed up?

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(Pete Cresswell)

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Dale Eastman

Im not heating anything. You start your diesels your way, Ill start mine my way. Shrug.

Growing up in the UP of Northern Michigan taught me a few things.

Including the fact you are an unprincibled f****it.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

Hey!!! A UPer!!! Haven't been back to UP of MI in quite a few years. Remember long drives up there, beautiful country. Harsh winters, especially up along Superior. Used to go hunting with my father up near Ralph. Classmate went into DNR up that way, didn't get shot at so I guess he was reasonable about people hunting out of season to put food on the table. Also loved camping at Lake of the Clouds over west near Iron Mtn.

You folks still inundated by downstater's every fall that can't tell a cow from a deer?? I can say that since I came from north of TC (Charlevoix).

Sounds like the propane idea works fine. More than once we would burn a small coffee-can filled with cardboard and paraffin under the truck engine and tranny (and sometimes one under rear axle) to 'thaw' them out after a couple of weeks of *COLD* weather. That was a trick we learned up north of Algoma CA.

daestrom

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daestrom

New a guy who put a salamander under his truck. woke to the sound of fire engines ........

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Steve Spence

Ya..I guess you could call de winters a bit harsh... the average snow fall of 144" was a clue..along with the temps down around -40F. Lower when the wind blew.

Ayup. They are just as bad around Grayling, where I graduated from high school. Blaze orange is a mandatory clothing item, even out of season.

I left Michigan in '71, only been back to visit. Now I live about 140 miles from Death Valley...not a lot of snow here....

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

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Sounds like the lack of lubrication plus running too hot would do the thing in...

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(Pete Cresswell)

This is Turtle.

If your wanting noise reduction here. There is a simple way of doing that. Get you 2 - 10 feet joints of 3/4" or 1/2" threaded light weight conduit pipe. Adapte the engine vapor discharge to the two pieces of conduit pipe and point them up in the air at 20 feet high. 95% of the noise will be sent up and not come back towards the ground where your at. The only noise you will hear is the vibration of the generator it'self which will not be much at all. Put the generator on some rubber pades and you will have to listen to see if it is running.

Now this type of quiet operation was used by the moble home company on the generators for them and had a holder for the 20 foot pipe to be put together when you wanted to run quiet durning outside events with the moble home. Now I think they had a muffler on the top of it and that would even be quietier.

TURTLE

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TURTLE

Turtle, it is a great idea, but my generator's exhaust comes out of a rectangular opening about 1.2x3 inches. Hard to fit a pipe to that.

Yes, what a great idea, in general. Making an adaptor for my exhaust is what's difficult.

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Ignoramus32065

Send me a print of your exhaust opening, and Ill machine you an adapter. You pay the shipping. Period.

Be damned sure you get the dimensions right and Ill machine one with a little bit of slop in the bolt pattern so you can fit it with a couple fat washers under the bolts.

Tell me how you want the pipe port to be. 3/4" standard pipe? Straight pipe, 1" ? You name it, you got it. Your choice of steel or aluminum. Depending on the size, I might even have some stainless remnants.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

I'm almost starting to think you are playing a game of Yes, But.

If you have, or can borrow, a digital camera, email me some pictures of various angles of this exhaust port. I'll even stick em up on my webspace for a short while and post the link. There's lots of talent hangs out in this group. (or should I say groups since the is xpost to 4)

Better yet, if you live close enough to the Wisconsin border come visit me with that thing. IIRC you said you lived in IL.

It ain't rocket science.

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Dale Eastman

LOL.

Gunner, take a look at my reply to this post. I think you'll LOL also.

I don't have the fancy CNC at work, but I do have band saw, grinder, & buzz box in the garage.

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Dale Eastman

Thank you Gunner! I am going to run a 1/2 marathon tomorrow in the morning, but after that, I will take dimensions, high resolution digital pictures, etc etc, and will set up a little webpage with that. I will pay shipping, cost of the materials also, and would not mind paying you some amount for your work, as I think that it is only fair.

As for the exit port, I think that having a 1" opening would make it easiest to buy a cheap car muffler, although I am not sure.

I was recently working on a power starter for this engine. Manually starting it is next to impossible.

Bought a $11.50 used 12V tecumseh starter.

The tecumseh starter, when directly (inline) connected to the flywheel, through a contraption of mine, can spin the engine, but not fast enough. Obviously, it was designed to operate with a perhaps 8:1 ratio or some such, not with 1:1 ratio. The engine can, however, be spun up with a dewalt drill, and starts wonderfully. Obviously, that's not a good solution for power outage, but perhaps it is a good excuse to buy a 18V cordless drill.

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Ignoramus32065

I am the kind of person who considers every issue from all possible angles. Hence my yes, but answers. I have a digital camera and will try to make high quality picture of the exhaust tomorrow in the afternoon. Thank you for your offers, maybe I will take you up on it (beer is on me)

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Ignoramus32065

This is Turtle.

i have never use the torch but when you run out of fuel. you can use WD-40 to run it till it can pick up the fuel you put in it. On Mack 18 wheelers you can start a 350 H.P. Mack engine with WD-40 and run it till the injectors will fill up and start pumping fuel. Now you can start them on cold mornings with a can of WD-40 keep at room temperature and then spray the warm WD-40 in it and it will burn good to start it. Now using starting fluid and WD-40 to start them cause a good amount of ware for it will wash all the oil off the rings when your starting it with the stuff. It's not recommended to do this very much because of the ware of the rings and cylinder wall.

TURTLE

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TURTLE

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