On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:16:53 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Check out this buggy with amber flashers on front and rear. *
Buggy battery safety is important :)
* Ohio State University Fact Sheet
Buggy Lighting and Marking Recommendations
The following fact sheets are available from Ohio State University
Driving Safely in Amish Country, AEX 596
Buying the Right Battery for Your Buggy, AEX 596.1
Buggy Battery Safety, AEX 596.2
Buggy Highway Safety Tips for You and Your Family, AEX 596.3
Buggy Lighting and Marking Recommendations, AEX 596.4
Pedestrian Safety in Amish Country,AEX 596.5
Bicycle Safety in Amish Country,AEX 596.6
Boosting Visibility of Ag Equipment, AEX 598
Additional Marking of Horse Drawn Vehicles = Additional Safety, AEX
Yeah, but don't overlook the really negative things about them. It's not at all
pretty and quaint. It's a cult. Women and children are "property" and the
accepted way to communicate with them is to beat them. Nice.
You could say the same thing about individuals/subgroups of just
about every religion, and extending it to describe the whole religion
is as wrong as it is with the Amish.
There are one or two subgroups of the Amish that could potentially
be properly described as cults, and others that operate completely
differently. As there are (rather more than one or two) of
christianity, islam or the jewish faith.
Jonestown/Crusades/Inquistion != christianity
Wahabi != islam
A religious jew that we knew well went on a pilgrimage to
Israel, and after he came back remarked on the extreme variation
of religious observance between individual congregations of the
same group. Eg: fine points of dietary laws in kosher households -
like, one microwave or two? One dishwasher or two? He put it rather
strongly - "Rabbi personality cults" (based around individual and
differing interpretation/concessions of practicality of the same laws).
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:07:53 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
Like ALL religions, there are good and bad. There has been a big
thing on the news in the last year about one that beat and had sex
with relatives and the whole thing seems to give a bad image of all of
them. It's one bad apple...... I have never seen any beatings around
here. They have better marriages than most non-Amish from waht I see.
On the other hand, when there is a divorce, the woman can never marry
again, (unless the man dies). It's not all quaint or pretty. They
work hard and work most of the time. Yet, they seem to be happier
than most people and dont have all the problems and debt that many
others have. Their concepts of sharing the phone bill, the well, etc
saves money, and when they need a barn, all of of them work together,
which makes for closer families. There's a good and bad side to
everything and to all people. Whether it's a cult or not, I really
can not say. I think most if not all religions are a cult in some
manner. Even those so well accepted in our world, such as the
Catholics are cult-like. I am not here to judge anyone's beliefs. If
people are happy, then that's what matters. Some of them do leave the
Amish too. Either way, they are an interesting people and I enjoy
living near them. They are usually the first to help me when I have a
problem and that says something about them.
How about getting them saved? Then they would be free to drive a car
instead of being in stupid bondage. Many Amish own and drive vehicles.
Driving a buggy instead of a car will not get them to heaven and driving a
car will not send them to hell.
Everytime I have to spend a few hours under the hood or under my car
doing something like exhaust work, I think "they are right"..... :)
I'd much rather care for my horses than be laying in the dirt with
bloody knuckles, under a car cussing at some rusted bolt on a piece of
steel, that is pissing me off...... And when I have to pay for the
car loan, or spend $100 for a tire, I also think they are right.......
On the other hand, when I see them doing laundry in a large tub, over
a wood fire, outdoors on a cold winter day, I'll stick to my automatic
washer inside the house, even if it does need a costly parts from time
As far as getting them "saved", I'll leave that to the fire dept. or
paramedics when they have an accident. I still do not understand the
religious aspect of that word, because every religions has their own
Yes, there is a lot to like and respect about their lifestyle, but I'm a
BIG fan of modern technology, and things like central heat, AC,
refrigators, microwave ovens and of course computers and the internet
(of course I also push a mouse for a living!).
This from a man whose pickup truck was made by a company better known
for one- and two-horsepower "vehicles" :)
(still a little bitter at JP about that one, although it sounds like
you've had your share of "issues" with it!)
Oh, and I can fix my car when it breaks (or pay someone to do it), and
as long as I'm willing to do that I can keep driving it, but I can't fix
a horse... plus horses take a lot more care (then there is the pollution
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