One of the projects I've been considering at the rental house is a
patio. The frost line is only a few inches (Atlanta). It is a sizeable
slope and I'll need to do some terracing.
I'd like enough of a patio for a few chairs and a BBQ.
I've done patios out of brick and concrete blocks (location had a lot
of them), and they are fun to do. I have neither at this location and am
thinking concrete. I have no shortage of people available who have
concrete skills. Roughly, I want it to look decent, but not spend a lot
of money. Labor is cheap and fast and seems to be skilled, the stucco
and landing work I had done is very good.
Should I be thinking stamped and stained or casting pavers?
Ready Mix or bagged and a mixer?
Right now I'm just trying to get a feel before I get a crew together
and stake it out.
On 2/28/2011 3:13 PM, hr(bob) firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
More towards 8 x10. But not rectangular. I suppose that would be about
a cubic yard. I'd like a path/steps leading to that perhaps 25' long.
The driveway could use widening. ~6' x 20'. I had thought about doing
that separately but now that I think of it...
How much trouble is it to move a CY 50'(the truck can't get there)? I
suppose this will be easier to mix on site. I can get as many people as
I've got wide latitude on this.
My dad built the house I grew up in and my brother still lives there.
When the foundation was poured he wanted the second truck to come hours
later. It didn't though and he said he was never so tired as that day!
It's a tossup if you have other work, you want to do it all at once, and the
access to your patio is either a straight drop for the truck, or close.
They will charge for "standing time" if it takes you long to wheelbarrow it
If it was ME, and it's not, I'd do the back in pavers, as you have a walkway
too, and could go a little creative on that and come up with a much nicer
look than just concrete or even stamped or textured concrete. The
driveway's just a driveway.
I'm going to finish my paver back porch, about 450 sf as soon as this damn
mud goes away ............... Do a nice cut in design in the field, and
different edgers. Get fancy with my new tile saw.
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I think too much time or too many molds to do this yourself. Commercial
precast too much.
I can't work it out how to do it frugally. I think it has to be poured
in place, but it could be divided up easily. Not like trapezoids are
hard to form. You can even form winding walkways. Or Mirror Image to
form straight. I can see this will take some time to stake out, or not!
Are there any rules?
and come up with a much nicer
That is huge.
as soon as this damn
What are your tiles made of? You are putting this on a "mud" bed?
I tiled my screen porch about a year ago. It is a bit over 460 sf, concrete
slab, Saltillo tiles in thinset. Grouted with plain old mortar.
It leads to the 2400 sf courtyard which was bricked last summer. Clay
pavers on about 3" of crushed concrete, sanded joints. Central Florida.
Frame it all up, have plenty of help, rent a Georgia buggy for half a day
and have the ready mix truck bring it out.
The rental cost will be offset by the no truck overtime. Mostly.
At any rate no one will kill themselves moving that stuff around.
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I'd go with pavers- but I'd leave making them to the guys with
expertise, chemistry, and cheap ingredients on their side. Utilize
those people with skills for their muscle.
Stamped and stained is beautiful if the crew has done it before-- but
if you screw it up, it is screwed up for a very long time.
Ready mix will come several yards at a time if you want to get any
sort of a decent price. Bagged and a mixer is the most
expensive, labor intensive way to do it. I've got a mixer. It is
great for a plain slab about 3x5. Trying to do a patio and have it
come out decent would be a real challenge. It *could* be done in
sections-- but you'll be a lot happier with the results of a paver
Stake it out and see if one of those folks with skills has a power
That's the only special tool you'll need for pavers.
If you have to terrace under the patio you will need to fill with
crush and run unless you want to compact the fill. You're going to
need access to it. If you can'd get trucks all the way to it then you
will need a small front end loader. Frankly the work and cost of
doing that much concrete by the bag is going to end up being better
off just hiring the job out. You are not going to want to wheelbarrow
crush and run or concrete. If you really want concrete I suggest you
just get some quotes for it unless you have a small fornt end loader
or access to one. Otherwise the rental costs plus the labor are not
really going to save you anything.
If you really want to do something yourself I'd consider deck. You
can just use posts instead of terracing and add full width steps down
from that edge or rail at that edge.
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