CINDY, why I htink my ceiling collapsed.

Feb 01, 2025 Last reply: 1 year ago 8 Replies

Cindy, months ago, after I said I thought I knew why my bedroom ceiling collapsed, you asked why. I apologize for taking so long to answer. I'm glad you're still reading.



In 1983, when I first got this townhouse, built in 1979, in the attic the first owner had put fiberglass insulation, on top of the rock wool the builder used. I went him one better, by installing a floor in the center (I cut 4x8 sheets lengthwise into thirds, pretty much the widest that would go up the hatch from the 2nd floor), and using 16"-wide pieces of plywood to crawl out beyond the center. I didn't know then that when trusses are used to hold up the roof, one should not, iiuc, try to install a floor. I think they bend when you stand on the bottom part. He had spent some time in the attic putting in the insulation but I saw no sagging to any of the 2nd floor ceilings.



I put in much more time, because I also installed over the first 4 years AC power (up through the stack from basement) which I used to put a light in the bedroom ceiling with a second switch next to my bed next to the rear window (a convenience that even the cheapest dollar-a-night hotels in Mexico and Central America had), a light in the ceiling of the small front bedroom I use for an office, a floodlight on the side of the house, and a roof fan (which made the 2nd floor much cooler in the summer even without using the AC. I wasn't used to AC and the first summer I slept in the basement because it was too hot to go upstairs until the next morning. After the fan was installed, it was okay when I got home from work and all weekend. I don't know why so many people on alt.home.repair discounted them, despite my first-hand experience.);



one roll of added fiberglass;



co-ax from the VCR up to the attic and down to the floors below;



a series of two amplified tv antennas and then a full-size outdoor antenna with a separate amplifier;



a sterero speaker jack with wires in the outside wall up to the attic and across to the facing wall (where I hung speakers (one of which was knocked down when the ceding fell);



a phone line because the previous owner had hidden the original phone jack with insulation and another layer of sheetrock (because he was from Louisiana and was always cold in Baltimore). The architect sent me, at no charge, a set of blueprints, and then I learned the phone jacks are not shown on blueprints. Still, I'm glad I have them;



a burglar alarm sensor for my bedroom window (which I could never get to work. I wanted to be able to leave the window open but alarm if someone came up on a ladder and went in. I used a dual sensor, IR and motion in one device, but the wind blowing the curtains kept setting it off. In the end, I've left the window open all summer for 41 years and no one has ever climbed in.



a set of speakers from a 1930's console record player, over the bathtub, that plugs into the tv on the counter, with a volume control in the wall next to the tub. I think I had to remove a resistor from the earphone jack for it to work well, but when I replaced the 14" tube tv with a transistor tv, it didn't have enough power for the 10 or 12" woofer. The replacement tv has much inferior speakers compared to the 30's speakers but does have a remote;



a phone jack in the bathroom, with a piezo ringer, a switch to turn that off and a neon light for when it's off, and a switch to answer the phone, to be used not with a whole phone but with a rewired handset (putting the speaker and microphone in series, like the first phones were.);



a phone jack in the far corner of my bedroom, where I plugged in a neon light designed for phones, so I'd know if the phone was ringing even when the bell was off;



Lights over the mirrors in the bathrooms;


Years after all this crawling around the attic, about 20 years ago I noticed that, although the front two bedroom ceilings seem undamaged, the ceiling light in my bedroom would cast a less than 1-inch shadow on the far walls, from the sheetrock sagging in between. The shadows didn't get any worse for 20 years, and I thought I was safe, but I guess the nails were thinking about doing something. (In 1979 and for a while afterwards, sheetroock was attached with nails, even for ceilings. Now ceilings are done with screws, at least by competent people.) Anyhow I think I was ultimately responsible for the ceiling falling down. You live and you learn.



I had planned to put a heavy white tarp in place of the ceiling -- I had even bought it and was up there with an electric stapler and scissors (to trim around the trusses) and a hardhat (so the nails holding the shingles wouldn't cut my head) -- but when I was in the attic, looking down on my bed and other things far less cushiony, wondering if I could catch myself if I fell between the trusses (and I know the answer is No), I didn't have enough nerve. (I still think the odds are 75% I could have done a good job, but that's not nearly good enough.) When spring comes I'll work on it some more. Or maybe I'll just not use that room for 6 months out of the year. I'll consider that room my summer, vacation home. I can mention my summer home at cocktail parties.



I'm 78 yo, and a friend of mine tells me I'll have to move to a retirement home soon anyhow, so I'll let the flipper fix the ceiling. ;-)


I'm confused - how could you staple-up a tarp from the attic ? .. isn't there insulation between the attic and the bedroom ? .. shouldn't the tarp be stapled up from the bedroom - under the ceiling joists that are filled with insulation ? I can imagine the attic becoming a very cozy warm place because of the ceiling + insulation compromises - be ready to welcome many critters - if they haven't already moved in and hunkered down. .. not to mention ice build-up outside on the roof & eaves .. Good luck, Micky - I hope your situation isn't as dire as it seems from your posts here .. John T.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:32:38 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.com wrote:

There was, but when the ceiling fell down, the insulation fell with it.

The rock wool at least. A couple lengths of fiberglass are dangling and others are, I guess, caught on the trusses, and I was hoping to pick them up and put them back on top of the tarp as I went along. If I could have, it would have only taken a few extra minutes.

Yes, the ceiling of any sort should be put in from underneath, but my room is full of furniture and boxes and other junk. I'd have to make room every step of the way for a ladder and then go up and down the ladder if using a tarp, and that would be a lot more effort than from above (if from above were not so scary.) But for from below, we talked in prior threads about sheetrock or stiff plastic sheeting. For that I'd need a helper, or two.

I have reasons other than money for not want to hire anyone. For one thing, the air there is full of rock wool dust. I'd have to insist they wear masks, and they wouldn't, and I'd feel/be responsible. Before it turned cold in October, I should have done more to remove the rock wool, much of which can just be picked up but the rest has to be vacuumed or something (with the shop vac clogging frequently), and I think I will need an air cleaner for the room, I'm debating whether to get one with a washable filter or disposeable filters. Either way is bad because I expect the filter to clog very quickly, more than once a day. - though if I end up waiting until it's warm enough, at least in the miiddle of the day, maybe a 20" fan in the window will blow most of the dust out. ??

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think in NY I once used a fan like that for something like this, probably a fan I'd found on the street, but it worked well when I started, and just as the job was done, the motor burned up from the dust. I'll try to remember the details. 10 minutes later... Oh, yeah, it was in 1973 when I first moved into my formerly luxury apartment (when built in 1930) and I was scraping/sanding the hardwood floor in the large dining room. That made a lot of dust and I had the fan running in the window the whole time, and a little after I was done sanding, the fan sputtered to a stop. Perfect timing.

The attic was warm for 6-8 months of the year all these years so I don't think it will be a problem. I had put in a switch in the second floor hall to turn off the roof fan in the spring and fall so that I let the attic warm up fully to warm the 2nd floor and not have to use the furnace much.

When I first moved in there were two birds looking up at me from inside the fiberglass. They were dead. I later found a hole in the screening over the eave vent, and I fixed that.

Why would there be more ice? Plainly the attic is going to be a little warmer than previous years. Anyhow we just went through the coldest month since I've been here with temps down to 6^ at night, including snow that stayed on the ground for 2 or 3 weeks (never happened before) and I didn't seen any more snow on the front of my roof than other houses. (I can't see the back half of my roof from the ground

Thank you.

There's your climate change.  I heard some polar bears in Miami, FL froze to death.

You fundamentally don't understand nonlinear systems, do you?

Are you going to womansplain it to me?

If I thought you were capable of understanding it, I might.

Big ice storm coming Wednesday night. If you got any penguins in your yard, you should probably provide shelter for them.

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Punxsutawney Phil saw her shadow so we got 6 more weeks of climate change.

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