Looking for recommendations on primers and paints for:
Now then.. for my shop/garage/office..
I bought a couple of gals of Kilz general purpose at WalMart. I also
have 3-4 gals of some Behr flat enamel leftover from another project
and a couple other leftovers I'm thinking to use (maybe paint a couple
different colors on the shop office walls).
CR recommends Behr mostly, but there is noise out there that BM or SW
is really a better paint.
I'm beginning to think that flat is the way to go. By the time it
really needs cleaned it can either be spot painted or is in need of a
For what it's worth, my kid has worked for a pro painter off & on for the
past two years, and his boss has nothing but evil things to say about Behr
products, especially for exterior work. He's impressed with
Sherwin-Williams, and has no problems with Kilz either.
Am I doing something wrong? I bought a gallon of the new Kilz "pro" and
the last repair I did on the kitchen ceiling, I needed two heavy coats
and it still wasn't a uniform white (but two coats of paint after that
did the job.) Or did I just have really scungy plaster hiding under
that old fluorescent light fixture? I was using a 3/8" nap roller.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Sherwin Williams . Benjamin Moore , California are all fine paints...Take
your pick...Was back at a house I drywalled and the homeowner used Behr
Paint on the walls and ceiling and it looked fine..Never tried it myself...
Without mentioning any particular brand, I'll offer this:
Shop at a *real* paint store, not a Walmart or big box store.
The professional, project-specific advice, as well as the quality of
products, from tape to brushes to the paint itself, is well worth the
SWMBO bought shutters at Lowes and informed me that the trim and doors
should match. I took them back to Lowes and asked them to custom match
Three failed attempts later and the guy said "Our machine isn't very
good with dark colors. I can't match it."
I went down the road to a local family-owned "chain" (5 stores) and
they matched the color almost immediately. I just had them match the
years-old paint in my kitchen so I could touch up around the new
window and they hit it perfect the first time. When I built my shed,
they suggested the correct primer and final coat combination which
should get me years of service before it needs a touch-up.
I won't shop for paint anywhere else.
Thanks for the personal experience. I've been through similar but
with opposite results.
I don't recall which -- either SW or BM, but I opted for their paint
on an exterior window trim job (for my own house). The paint was
about gone 2 years after I painted. I scraped and sanded and removed
as much of the orginal paint as I could. I then primed and painted
with their recommended paint. Needless to say, after only 2 years, I
was not happy. I used Behr the 2nd time around with better results.
The 3rd time I used Valspar.
Maybe the answer is variable -- and depends on which formulation, temp
and humidity condtions, etc. I cannot say that I've been thrilled
with any particular brand of paint. None seem to come anywhere close
to their advertized 15-20 years warranties.
I'm just looking for some thoughts form the group..
For a paint job to only last 2 years you did something very wrong,
nobody here can say what you did that caused the failure, You need to
get several people to look at your house to figure it out, and you
need to know how it should be done. Where I live there is no question
that Behr is not the best. 15-20 years is not uncommon, just looking
outside my window I can see two houses I painted around 1994 that are
not peeling, thats about when I quit painting. You should be able to
get a company rep from SW out, Moore is a bit harder to get one over.
FWIW I have used both Behr and Benjamin Moore for spot repairs in my
kitchen, and the local Benjamin Moore place did a heck of a lot better
job color matching, and the paint covers better too. Only downside is I
waste so much filling up the roller to do a spot repair! I'm gonna have
to start just doing repairs and then leaving them until I have 3-4 ready
to go... (have a couple more spots to do, all around the house - same
By the time I get that all done, it'll be time to repaint :/ The real
thing is, I don't want to leave all the work until we're ready to
repaint, otherwise the sheer magnitude of the repairs needed will be
overwhelming. So I'm pickin' away at them one at a time until it's
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
re: "Thanks for the personal experience. I've been through similar
but with opposite results.
I don't recall which -- either SW or BM..."
Just to be clear, I wasn't talking about a paint store dedicated to/
franchised from any particular brand.
The "chain" I was referring to was a independant where they sell many
P.S. If the paint was gone after 2 years, I don't think the brand was
the problem. If *any* brand of paint only lasted 2 years, they'd be
out of business fairly quickly. SW and BM have been around for a long
time, so I don't think they are selling paint that only lasts 2 years.
I'd start looking for the problem someplace other than the label on
I have favorite brands, but not inclined to fight over them. I am
intriqued by your comment that the paint "was gone 2 years after" you
painted. Can you elaborate? Type of paint? All peeled, faded, or just
"disappeared" or degraded badly? How many coats? Prep?
I used SW on my daughter's house because SW was the nearest paint store
and I considered it a good brand. I painted exterior trim with alkyd
semi-gloss after extensive prep...torching off old, alligatored paint,
sanding, priming, caulking. Just applying the first brush-full was an
experience...it just went on so easily and smoothly. There were a
couple of places that, after 2-3 years, began to peel because I hadn't
caulked the end grain well enough at the base of the vertical trim
boards where they met the sill.
I've never had a paint job, with cheap or expensive paint, that
"failed". The differences I have seen have been with: 1. coverage; 2.
ease of cleaning. Cheap interior latex stains easily from any oily type
stuff like handprints, ballpoint ink, lipstick, etc. Don't ask how it
all got on the wall :o)
My parents built a home in 1983, concrete block/stucco, Florida.
Painted with BM best...can't remember name. Repainted 10 years later,
just for the hell of it....there was no sign at all that it NEEDED to be
repainted :o) There was no chalking, peeling, mildew, etc.
If you had SW or BM paint that was "about gone" two years after
painting, something was dreadfully wrong. Both are high quality. My
parents' home was repainted after 10 years of wearing it's original coat
of BM semi-gloss. It looked as good then as when it was originally
painted. Any paint failing that quickly had some defect, either in
application or in storage or a major factory f-up. I tried Behr paint
once, for furniture, and it was crap.
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:13:16 -0500, " email@example.com"
I really like Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams. Behr is not nearly
as good, perhaps overpriced for what it is. Check Consumer
Reports--sometimes the best paint depends on the color. With all the
time-consuming preparation work, I'll spend the extra money and get
the best I can find. A good paint job is all about the prep work.
What bugs me is the choices of "quality" of paint at SW/BM/PPG. I
don't understand why they need more than 2 choices. The "good" and
the "bad". Do they really need the "pretty good" and "not so bad"
lines? There really cannot be that much of materials price
difference. They likely "water down" to make the cheap stuff. So
the point is always buy the best. So Behr at 25/gal vs SW at 45/
gal. In the big scheme of things that 20 difference is really not
too significant, but on the flip side, is there really a significant
difference in the ease of application or wear characteristics
either? Probably not -- at least for the average DIYer. LIke I
noted earlier -- the bigger obstacles are the prep, and when looking
at the finished surface, generally there are more distractions than
the paint itself -- visible nail holes, uneven miter joints, unsanded
areas, poor joints, and so on. If I focus just on the paint alone,
then maybe I can find a few brush marks or uneven coverage, but on the
whole the paint is going to be minor compared to the rest. Now -- if
one has all the perfect prep -- well, this discussion then is probably
Looking at my office that I'm painting -- what's most visible (after
priming, 1 topcoat on the drywall, 1 topcoat on the trim ) is --- the
cutout in the drywall I did to add some 220V breakers to the shopside,
the open miters on the window/door trim, all the stuff piled up in the
middle of the floor while I wait to get this done, etc. I don't think
once the paint job is done, I'm going to notice the brush marks or
slight differences of coverage on the rolled areas. I just doubt BM,
SW, PPG or others would make a significant difference compared to
Behr, Valspar, or probably even Walmart brand. That's my opinion on
interior. For exterior -- my main criteria would be longevity. We
have BM on the house now. It's 10 years old and is showing some signs
of fading. Nothing peeling that I can see. If I can get 10 years on
an exterior paint, I think I'm pretty happy with that. 15 would be
I have known people who repainted interior rooms every 2 or 3 years,
just for color change. Those, and the people on more limited budgets,
probably lean toward lower cost. When I paint, I go to great pains to
prep thoroughly because I want the paint to last forever. Had one
kitchen with BM alkyd semi that was still in great shape after 15 years
and many cleanings. I painted my present kitchen 2-3 years ago for what
I expect will be the final time. By the time it needs to be repainted,
I may be too old and feeble to do it myself :o) Haven't ever thought in
those terms before :o) Cost is a factor in when I will paint, but when
I do it is with a choice quality of paint - I go with SW or BM and don't
really compare within either as to cost - just pick from what they have.
Always alkyd semi for bath, kitchen, doors and trim. I use leftover
paint sometimes to renew an old or scavengered piece of furniture and
for craft projects. I can mix in some artist oil paint and save buying
a whole quart for a small project. Handy stuff :o)
re: "this is total bs."
Not one word of it is "bs".
Every single word I wrote is 100% true in my experience.
Just because you didn't like the brand of paint you bought in no way
way makes my experiences any less real.
BTW...by a "real" paint store I didn't mean one with the big SW sign
out front. I meant an independant etablishment that can sell more
than one brand at more than one price point, from basic house paints
to specialty coatings.
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