Nope, the facts will always be here to back up the correct information.
Bullshit is bullshit, no matter how many times you want to say it's
So why did you post about your equipment experience?
Why don't you want validatation for a survey which you think is correct?
Do you always believe in bullshit reports?
Facts, just facts that you can't argue with. You can't come up with anything
to discredit MY facts.
You give up because you know you lost and the best man won.
Do you want me to type out a survey real s..l..o..w, so you can learn how to
read and understand them. LOL
So in a court of law, the Judge would rather take advice from 36,000 people
who have limited knowledge of HVAC over a professional in the HVAC industry?
You're so funny...
You've lost this debate, Boy.
Try reading it this time...
D o y o u w a n t m e t o
t y p e o u t a s u r v e y
r e a l s l o w , s o y o u
c a n l e a r n h o w t o
r e a d a n d u n d e r s t a n d
t h e m ?
Was that slow enough for you to understand the question?
Do you practice being fucking dense, or does it come natural?
ONCE MORE. IF THE FURNACE DOESN'T WORK, THE OWNER CALLS FOR SERVICE. THIS
"SERVICE CALL" IS THE BASIS OF THE SURVEY, NOT THE REASON FOR THE CALL.
Funny. You keep saying that, but you keep rambling on.
You HAVE no survey, asshat. Your "figures" were pulled out of your ass, along
with your logic.
Say it with me... "Installation issues don't automatically become the
Say it over and over, till you understand what it means. I'm sure you'll be
saying it for a very long time.
Then STFU and quit posting bullshit about an inaccurate survey.
Survey was an example, is that to hard for you to understand?
Must be, as you couldn't even post accurate facts about it... LOL
I posted an example of a simple survey. You couldn't understand it, and
couldn't see how it related to a larger survey base. I than changed the
numbers, since you were to incompetent to do it yourself. Then you posted an
inaccurate statement about the survey and got called on it. Now you want to
sidestep all that and say that my survey isn't accurate. The only thing
that's inaccurate is your bullshit statement.
That's the biggest pile of shit that I have saw in a long time. You got your
ass kicked and you are not man enough to admit it. Is that because you're
really a little sissy girl?
Well there we go.
Since statistically, every furnace in the survey has an equal possibility of a
shitty install, that effectively *removes* it as an influence of the results
of the survey.
If you can't see that, you're either a liar or an idiot.
How about you post a link to a reputable website that effectively negates the
survey in question?
How about I pull a "simple survey" out of my ass, just like you've done?
It's completely and utterly irrelevant.
If you can't understand the facts to why their survey is nothing but
bullshit, you'll never understand.
And at this point, I know you can't even understand a simple example.
What do you want to discuss next (that you can't understand), Junior?
Geez, how can you not understand what I've posted?
Are you really that slow?
Did you always ride the short bus?
Yes, it's completely irrelevant when you can't understand it...
Truth is the truth, facts are facts, bullshit is bullshit...
And we all know what you've posted is nothing but bullshit.
As I said before. You' wouldn't know truth if it fucked you all night long
and made you breakfast in the morning.
Your admission that bad installs are possible with every brand surveyed
equally was the admission I've been waiting for.
This simplifies things considerably. Since no one brand has a disadvantage
with regards to bad installations, the survey simply can now be viewed as it
should, i.e., ranked in order by number of service calls. No more, no less.
Your two main complaints have been adequately addressed. First, is the age of
the survey. I made this quite clear from the get-go that the survey was from
2004. Goodman may now very well be the best furnace money can currently buy,
but that doesn't change the results of the survey in question.
Secondly was your insistence that bad installs (something you've failed to
substantiate with outside your own bluster) turned out to be a non-starter,
with your admission that every brand in the survey had an equal chance of
being installed sloppily.
Since I've made my point, consistently, many times, I see no more point in
carrying this on. Your inability to parse simple survey data is evident for
all to see. Your hand waving appeals to authority, with "facts" you're unable
to back up, are a matter of record. Your pathetic "survey" you made up on the
spot was dishonest, but at least entertaining.
Being the blowhard you are, you will claim victory, but we all know you'd be
full of shit. Once again. I won't be around to read it.
If the meek inherit the earth,
who\'ll drive all the big trucks?
Facts, do you not know/understand what this means?
Which proves absolutely nothing.
To bad you're to incompetent to understand the real facts!
Which doesn't account for different conditions in different areas...
Hacks sell different brands in different areas of the US.
Geez, do you think nothing changes from area to area?
This doesn't even take into account that equipment changes EVERY FUCKING
Yes, it does! It means that their survey is complete bullshit.
How does this help you make an informed decision today?
God you're ignorant.
Which doesn't mean their survey included the same number of installation
errors for every brand.
It doesn't account for the same installation errors.
It doesn't account for people having different opinions of their equipment.
It doesn't account for people who didn't provide accurate information.
The list goes on and on... the survey is based on shit that doesn't allow it
to be accurate.
That's because you know you lost and you can't be a man and just admit to
Why, because you couldn't understand it correctly? LOL
It was an example that you was to incompetent to understand.
Good, maybe you'll finally quit posting bullshit information!
BTW, I see you didn't counter the information by Robin. LOL
You know I would just love to grab you two pathetic fucks by the necks and
bang your bloated egos together. I hope others in AHR took notice as to
how fucking foolish you two imbeciles are with this endless pissing match
and never ever take advice from either one of you dolts.
Ruud & Rheem are identical replicas by the same mfg'er; Heil & Tempstar
are identical replicas by the same mfg'er. Where is the difference?
Goodman is bought by lower income individuals that live in homes without
proper ductwork & the Return Air filters are allowed to plug, etc.
This equipment is usually installed on the fast & cheap with less
skilled installer & Techs.
You can not flat out compare their survey of repair frequencies to the
quality of the equipment without entering the other critical factors!
So, why is Lennox a high dollar top line brand so low? The Lennox
equipment should be in the higher income homes with a better HO
That particular survey covers one factor whereas, a dozen or more
(things that can be done wrong) factors enter into whether a new high
efficiency condenser type gas furnace will require more frequent repairs.
I will take a Goodman, Amana or a Tempstar/Heil & not be the least
concerned about their quality! Additionally, you can do a lot of
repairing of the small stuff for the price differential on the lower
initial cost equipment. Do NOT be fooled by surveys that ignore the
critical causative factors for the repair frequencies!
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THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES and WISDOM BASED PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
Why are Goodman so much cheaper? You don't believe this economy of purchase
isn't reflected in the quality whatsoever? The money has to come off
something. They're in business to make maximum profits, after all.
And it's doubtful that the lower income individuals you mention, are going to
be readers of Consumers Reports.
Maybe as kjpro pointed out, the higher end models have more bells/whistles,
therefore requiring more repairs?
Undoubtedly, but for a homeowner, wanting to find out what the average
reliability ratings are, it's a start.
This is why I tried a while back to get some honest answers from the HVAC
experts in Usenet, as to what they preferred. I would expect that if you were
to be totally honest, that you would probably have a brand preference, if you
were installing it in your own home, and probably a brand or 2 that you
absolutely wouldn't install in your own home.
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