And exactly who's wrong here about what? Let's recap. Someone
"you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US,"
To which you replied:
">> W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US
now, although as
That makes the false implication that because Bosch's washers are
being sold in the US, that they are a European type front loader
machine, in some way identical to the features, voltages, cycles, etc
of the European machines being discussed in this thread. For
example, in this thread it was claimed that European machines don't
need a hot water connection because they do any heating themselves.
I can assure you that the front loaders sold here do require a hot
water connection, just as any washer would. Just because they are
Bosch doesn't mean that besides being front loaders they are European
machines. In fact, they are made for the US market and are similar to
ALL THE OTHER FRONT LOADERS SOLD HERE.
And the HE type detergent that ALL the manufacturers of front loaders
being sold in the US recommend, including Bosch, is widely
available. Tide HE is but one common example that you can find in
just about any supermarket. You're dead wrong on that one.
And then after I posted:
Your reply was:
"And there are shitloads of those, right? "
As another poster pointed out, from Maytag's website, 6 of the 15
washers they sell here are front loaders. Take a look at a common
retailer, BestBuy's website.
They have 23 top loaders and 73 FRONT LOADERS as line items. Front
loader manufacturers are Whirlpool, LG, Frigidaire, Maytag, GE,
Samsung, Electrolux, and Kitchenaid. And given the price delta,
which do you think they push and sell? Walk into the store and the
front loaders are prominently featured, the top loaders are in the
So, living in the UK, stop making an ass of yourself about that which
you don't know. Perhaps using rumours as if they were fact is your
On the other hand the Bosch WAS20160UC (a current model in the US)
requires Nominal voltage: 220-240V, 60Hz; Nominal current: 15A. Which is
remarkably close to the specification of broadly similar models in
Europe. (OK - let us accept the 50/60 Hz thing is a minor difference.)
It does have hot and cold fill - but that seems unrelated to the
machine's electrical spec. (I.e. at that rating, a fairly decent
internal heating element is quite feasible.)
If you go to the WFMC8440UC model, you get:
Internal Water Heater
An internal heating element heats the water to up to 170 F while a
digital temperature sensor continually monitors the water temperature.
Bosch Nexxt washers deliver the most efficient and accurate water
heating method for each selected fabric type.
(Though that is a 110-120V model with just 1350W rating.)
Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
I was wondering when another of the unpleasant traits of this particular
ex-Colony would arise; parochiality. That, combined with the aforementioned
inability to admit error, is beiong ably demonstrated here.
Of course, you know as little about me as you do about everything else, so you
are as wrong about my knowledge of the USA as everything else.
"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose
happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson
LOL. Forget all the above drivel. Do you still want to claim:
Claim: Bosch front loaders sold in the USA are somehow different
"European type" front loaders and make it sound like they are somehow
unique and one of the only machines of that type available?
Fact: They have features similar to ALL THE OTHER WIDELY AVAILABLE
FRONT LOADERS being sold be virtually every washing machine
manufacturer selling products in the USA: Maytag, Whirpool, LG,
Samsung, Kenmore, Frigidare, GE, etc.
Claim: Runours about Bosch service being poor.
Fact: Instead of posting about rumours, if you don't have any factual
data or experience, only an idiot would cite rumours as advice.
Claim: Front loaders aren't common here.
Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of
these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been
in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you
look at the Bestbuy link?
Claim: HE detergent for front loaders is hard to find in the US.
Fact: The shelves in any supermarket, discount store, wholesale club
are full of them. Tide, Gain, All, Cheer, House brands, probably 8
or more different ones to choose from in any reasonable store.
So, what kind of moron are you?
No comment on the other assertions but I looked out of interest and
Frigidaire were offering one top loader and about twenty front loaders,
which would seem to indicate correct rather than incorrect!
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:26:01 UTC, firstname.lastname@example.org (Gary Heston)
Making a lot out of a typo, aren't you?
Don't get me started on US education....but we could start with the mad
Zero Tolerance system (e.g. the student punished for having a miniature
baseball bat in his car - yes, a trophy awarded by that very school...)
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poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
Living in NJ USA, (and I've previously criticized in another thread, the
wonderfully expensive Maytag Neptune for stinking mold if you don't
leave the door open) but you Brits/Europeons (Ha!) forget that 80-90F
heat comes with 90-100% humidity, so, hang your clothes out for a few
days, they won't dry, something will eat them, or make a home in them
and they will smell. I first learned this lesson in Singapore, 99%
humidity does NOT dry clothes, so, you have to use a dryer. The answer
to smelly washers is to run them on 240V and put a freakin heater in
them, jeez theres a heater in the dishwasher, (Which fills from hot,
unlike the UK) can't the Yanks figure out putting a heater in a washing
machine without the Bosch showing them how to do it? Of course a US
washing machine will happily accept a V8 engine through the door which
is nice, but means there is a lot more water in there.
[ ... ]
In the US of A, most washing machines have built-in dispensers for
chlorine bleach. Only the absolute cheapest models give directions
for when and how much to manually add.
The OP could have been a bit clearer about his location. In any case,
I concur with the recommendation to replace the seal; if it's growing
mold, it's probably decomposing and will fail soon in any case. Much
better to replace it when it's convenient, rather than after the floor
Gary Heston email@example.com http://www.thebreastcancersite.com /
Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
I used HCl based patio cleaner for this, it was very effective.
However it needs to be brushed repeatedly to work, and of course you
cant do a wash cycle with HCl.
A boiling hot wash should kill any mould. LEave the door ajar and hot
wash monthly to prevent recurrence. You might also need to demould the
soap dispensing area.
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