Just wondering, because I'm having terrible luck with anything made in
China. In most cases I have no choice, but to buy the junk that fails a
month after the warranty.
About a year ago, I got two small space heaters. Both made in China, but
different brands. They lasted one winter with only occasional use.
One failed completely - this is one from Target, made by Midea Fan Mfg. The
one-shot thermal protector opened. Second was made by (rather marketed by)
Holmes, but also made in China. The Holmes unit burned one of the heating
elements and was only putting out low heat.
I bought the Holmes, because the last heater I had from them lasted 15
years. The difference seems to be where they are made. Even if China
sourced products are sold at half the price, my cost over 15 years will be 5
Both are very simple appliances. Can't the Chinese make anything that will
even approach what was on the US market before?
Sure, they are.
Most of the electronics I have were made in China. I bought them not because
they were made in China and cheaper than everything else, but because there
were no "everything else" to buy.
You may be confusing Taiwan with the mainland. Taiwan is years ahead.
Mainland, well they even manage to screw up a simple C-clamp. Want one as a
proof - used twice.
Even so, you must not have heard of the capacitor copy fiasco, if you're
talking about computers.
Not at all, I'm simply saying factories in mainland China, Shanghai mainly,
can and do produce excellent first rate things. They are also equally able
to make junk. The companies they are manufacturing for,often American
companies like Mattel, decide what quality they want to pay for
I've been saying this for years, and it finally seems to be a reality...
"You get what you pay for. When folks buy the cheap crap instead of
reasonable quality goods, the companies making the unwanted quality goods
will either go bankrupt or switch to the cheap goods."
If you want to do something about it, make a strong point to your retailers
that you WON'T support them if all they stock is cheap junk.
Some people are specifically looking for cheap stuff and are willing
to compromise quality and durability. This is the market Chinese
products are trying to fill. When I want a screwdriver or a clamp
which I might only use once, I get the cheap stuff from Harbor Freight
tools. They are so cheap I get a bunch of them. If one breaks I always
have another one on hand. If I want something more durable, I get it
from a known manufacturer, usually US or European. Before Chinese
products came on the scene, you had to buy the professional grade
tools with life time warranties that cost an arm and a leg. There is a
need for low quality cheap stuff too. The problem comes when the
customers can't distinguish between the good and bad stuff.
You SOMETIMES get what you pay for. Buying the most expensive item may get
you quality, or it may just subsidize an overactive marketing department.
Further, to say that scammers can't overcharge to insinuate quality would
be downright foolish.
Well Mr something is defiantly wrong. I don't think we have to worry much
about you owning anyone. With the pollution you generate and the toxic
elements you use with no good reason in your products you won't be around
long enough to do anything.
China is in it's lawlessness phase where they will use glycol ethylene to
sweeten toothpaste, lead in the paint used on kid's toys, deadly cooking
oils, exploding beer bottles, melamine in pet food etc.... The air is so
thick with pollution now in China that you won't live to see the age of 50.
The workers have no safety protection, the Government is..... well no need
to state the obvious. Good luck to you all. I hope you wake up before self
Meanwhile I would rather machine my parts with my bare hands than buy
something made in china that breaks as you take it out of the box. I do buy
stuff made in Taiwan, their stuff is awsome but this was clearly stated in
Hey, what's your beef? There are American companies and their CEO's
making a bundle off this stuff. Jesus H... next you'll be complaining
that we shouldn't grant Most Favorite trace status to countries that
have oppressive regimes that are the exact opposite of what we are
supposed to stand for.
You took the words right out of my mouth. My parents were both W.W.II vets
(they met in the Navy in the 40's). When I was growing up, Japan & crap
were synonymous to them. And when I was a kid, a lot of it WAS crap, like
the toys. I don't know if they were overtly toxic, like the recent GHB-bead
thing, but I remember taking apart Japanese-made stamped metal toy cars when
I was a kid which said "EverReady" or "Pabst" on the inside - they were made
out of old flashlight batteries & beer cans. Now names like Honda, Sony,
Toyota, Panasonic, etc. are some of the most respected manufacturers
Before WWII my father served in the navy and was stationed on a ship
that was in China. Someone cracked a sextant and my father brought it to a
shop and wanted a new one. They made a great new one, including the crack.
After the function was explained to them the made a second one. This one
did not have a crack and performed better than the original.
I once got a Chinese hacksaw that was very well-made. It got stolen, so
I can't identify a "brand" now. I also see Chinese hacksaws that I would
call stool specimens - I had experience with one highly prone to popping
apart during use, along with the blade being prone to twisting badly
enough to make it very difficult (almost iompossible?) to cut straight.
As for Chinese compact fluorescent lamps:
Every spiral one I ever saw nationality of was made in China. Some are
made for GE, Philips and Sylvania, and those tend to be made reasonably
to outright well-made. (I am aware of a bad run that had some units
getting GE's name on them, but that was in 2001.) Philips even has
some impressive limited warranties for some of those.
On the other end are dollar store compact fluorescents. I have yet to
see one significantly outshine a better 40 watt incandescent, nor have I
yet to see one with a light output claim meet its claim, and I have seen
some with color badly described, some with rotten color rendering, and I
already had one give a scary failure (lots of smoke and a burning orange
glow in the base that did not stop until power was shut off), and I know
someone who had one die early with three loud pops and two of these pops
were almost bangs, and he had another die with a lot of smoke output.
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
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