How about you go ahead and send a check to the family of a good friend of
mine that just died from lung cancer....never smoked a day in his life, no
one in his family smokes, and he was well enough off that he lived well, and
took good care of himself..
I figure it cost him close to a million the last couple of years to prolong
I mean....after all...(cough) smokers killed him according to you...
Yeah, everybody knows a story. Cancer generally requires two things to exist
for it to occur: a genetic predisposition (cancer does run in families) and an
environmental trigger. That trigger could be cigarette smoke, though it could
be other things as well. This is how some folks smoke and don't get cancer and
others don't smoke and do get cancer. Both factors need to exist.
That being said, cigarettes cause more cardiac deaths than lung cancer. If a
person has a 70% blockage of his coronary arteries, he may well be free of
symptoms. Then he fires one up: the nicotine causes vasoconstriction. He may
then have a heart attack. (My percentages are off the top of my head but I
attended enough seminars to know the general idea is correct).
So your friend spent close to a million dollars, did he? After our good friend
Gary claimed smokers cost less because they don't live as long, he now wants
access to that same kind of money to extend his smoke ridden life. This is
As I see it, he has the right to do what he wants right up to the point it
affects me. He's free to smoke; I just don't want anyone to smoke around me.
Nobody smokes in my house. If you come to visit, you'll leave your cigarettes
in the car.
I have a friend who smokes. He abides by my rules in my house. I don't visit
him because that's *his* house, and I don't make the rules there. Nor do I have
to suffer from his smoke (my sinuses close almost immediately).
You want to smoke? Do it elsewhere. Smoke free sections in a restaurant work
as well as pee free sections of a swimming pool. Have you ever noticed how
smokers smoke in a restaurant? They smoke up until their food arrives, put the
cigarettes out, and then fire up again after they've eaten. Never mind that 3/4
of the restaurant hasn't finished *their* food.
Do it elsewhere....
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:59 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
I care about your inherent unalienable rights, even though I consider
you to be a waste of skin.
Liberals are thieves and dictators, unlike
conservatives who are dictators and thieves.
I'm with you on "smoking saves the govt money over the long haul".
Before everyone jumps all over me.......I don't smoke, don't really like second
hand smoke but I dislike the govt bossing everyone around.
Let small groups decide, millions of individual decisions have got to be
better than the folks in DC or the statehouses.
Vote with you feet & your $'s; go (or don't) to smoking or non-smoking
restuarant or place of work.
On the "smoking saves the govt money over the long haul" thing........
Everyone eventually dies, some large % of ones total lifetime health care
expenditure is expended very near the end of ones life.
So if one is on Medicare & Social Security after he stops working then is it
not economically beneficial to the govt to minimize the time spent on these
Is this not why the govt is raising the retirement age?
I think the anti-smoking crowd should at least be open to the concept that
perhaps smoking is a net postive cash flow for the govt.
As long s it kils the smoker after he has stopped working & paying taxes :)
Also as big believer in the power of tech, why not just control the smoke at
the source, air cleaning ash trays as well as HEPA filters.
BTW indoor air quality is pretty bad even without smoking.........blue staters
maybe we need some federal indoor air quality standards?
this is for Gary, have you considered growing your own? I looked into it &
smokes can be grown for a small fraction of the current retail cost
I've done that. If everyone that felt the same had done the same,
companies would have change their smoking rules way earlier.
The last company I quit because of smokers finally went
non-smoking. It happened after one of the worst smokers got
deathly sick. She quit smoking in the hospital, went home and got
well - came back and got sick. After a couple of cycles of this,
the company finally figured out how bad smoke was for people.
OP - personally, I would try to find an "electronic" air cleaner.
The electrostatic principle on which they operate is resonable
effective for removing smoke.
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