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[Gary R. Lloyd]

Does anyone see a trend throughout this thread? The vast majority of non-smokers don't give a damn about anyone's rights but their own, and they blindly defend outrageous taxes that are clearly nothing short of theft. Not unlike the politicians they elect, they are thieves and dictators.

BTW, if any of you smokers out there voted for people who raise your cigarette taxes, all I can say to you is DUHHHHHHH...

Gary R. Lloyd

"When the boot of government is on your neck, it doesn't matter if it's left or right"

[Red Neckerson]

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[m Ransley]

Gary you are one inbread uneducated low IQ moron if you believe the Dutch study

[Bill Seurer]

Since when is smoking a RIGHT?

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

So? What's your point?

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

And how exactly are you any different?

[Bob]

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Just another one of those "considerate smokers" that we are told eliminate the need for laws regulating smoking.

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It is kind of silly to keep repeating it, since it is wrong. You poor oppressed smokers are really funny.

Bob

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

He's got an interesting theory; pity his head is buried in his ass. True, smokers leave this life quicker than others. Unfortunately, they run up a hell of a bill in the passing. Admission after admission to the hospital.... they don't just go quietly into the night. We call them "frequent fliers" at work.

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This is a false assertion.

[Bob Landry]

Didn't this start out as a request for information on air cleaners?

Can we all say "polarization"? ;)

[Gary R. Lloyd]

Yep. That's what our country has come to. There has to be a law for everything. One side gets to dictate to the other side. If the other side doesn't like it, tough shit. Forget about talking things over and working things out. Or agreeing to disagree and going our separate ways. Those days are gone. We have become a house divided.

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[Gary R. Lloyd]

Being the study was conducted by socialists, you may have a point.

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Liberals are thieves and dictators, unlike conservatives who are dictators and thieves.

[Gary R. Lloyd]

You have an inherent right to put whatever you want in your body. Why? Because you own yourself. It's your body.

My brother and I worked out the smoking thing quite easily:

Smokers are welcome in my house. If you don't like it, do not enter. It's my house.

My brother doesn't allow smoking in his house. If you don't like it, do not enter. It's his house.

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Liberals are thieves and dictators, unlike conservatives who are dictators and thieves.

[Gary R. Lloyd]

I care about your inherent unalienable rights, even though I consider you to be a waste of skin.

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Liberals are thieves and dictators, unlike conservatives who are dictators and thieves.

[LB]

You also then have the inherent right to PAY for ALL the costs of treating any diseases you get from smoking.

LB

[Gary R. Lloyd]

... or from eating, or from drinking, or just from living.

No problem, just reimburse me for all the money I have paid into your welfare system, and I will refrain from claiming any of its benefits. In the meantime, I paid for it and it better damned well be there when I need it.

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The least charitable people on Earth are the Robin Hood types. They institute wonderful sounding social programs and force others to pay for them (minus a sizeable cut for themselves). They are not humanitarians, they are thieves.

[steve]

How about you go ahead and send a check to the family of a good friend of mine that just died from lung cancer....never smoked a day in his life, no one in his family smokes, and he was well enough off that he lived well, and took good care of himself.. I figure it cost him close to a million the last couple of years to prolong his life....

I mean....after all...(cough) smokers killed him according to you...

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Yeah, everybody knows a story. Cancer generally requires two things to exist for it to occur: a genetic predisposition (cancer does run in families) and an environmental trigger. That trigger could be cigarette smoke, though it could be other things as well. This is how some folks smoke and don't get cancer and others don't smoke and do get cancer. Both factors need to exist.

That being said, cigarettes cause more cardiac deaths than lung cancer. If a person has a 70% blockage of his coronary arteries, he may well be free of symptoms. Then he fires one up: the nicotine causes vasoconstriction. He may then have a heart attack. (My percentages are off the top of my head but I attended enough seminars to know the general idea is correct).

So your friend spent close to a million dollars, did he? After our good friend Gary claimed smokers cost less because they don't live as long, he now wants access to that same kind of money to extend his smoke ridden life. This is cheaper?

As I see it, he has the right to do what he wants right up to the point it affects me. He's free to smoke; I just don't want anyone to smoke around me. Nobody smokes in my house. If you come to visit, you'll leave your cigarettes in the car.

I have a friend who smokes. He abides by my rules in my house. I don't visit him because that's *his* house, and I don't make the rules there. Nor do I have to suffer from his smoke (my sinuses close almost immediately).

You want to smoke? Do it elsewhere. Smoke free sections in a restaurant work as well as pee free sections of a swimming pool. Have you ever noticed how smokers smoke in a restaurant? They smoke up until their food arrives, put the cigarettes out, and then fire up again after they've eaten. Never mind that 3/4 of the restaurant hasn't finished *their* food.

Do it elsewhere....