Bob, your story of the principal and her asinine attitude reminds me of
several instance of bizarre demands I've encountered over the years and
the actions I've had to take to satisfy the goofballs to let them go
about they're life blissfully unaware that they had been bamboozled. I
had a partner in a business where we were building sound systems, amps
and speakers. The guy was a bit bonkers but who isn't so I tried to use
his talents that weren't too far out in space. He insisted on setting
the bass and treble controls up one notch past the center on his amp
that we were using to test the rather large speakers we were building,
claiming he could hear hear the difference. If I ever set the controls
to the center, he became angry and set them back to one notch higher. So
rather than argue anymore, I set the controls to center, removed the
knobs and put them back on so they showed the controls were set one
notch above center. When he came by and saw that I was operating the amp
with the controls at his preferred setting, the smug look on his face
had me laughing internally since he never knew what I had done....
Many years ago, an instructor I had in a course for broadcast
engineering gave me a word that I still use which describes a mythical
electronic/electric/mechanical device which does not exist and never
will, the word is "Framistan". When I've had to deal with someone who
has no technical knowledge and is a difficult person to deal with who
demands to be told exactly whats wrong with a piece of equipment rather
than accepting the explanation that it's broken, I tell them it has a
defective Framistan and that my supplier is trying to locate one. If the
unpleasant person demands to know what a Framistan is, I go on to
explain that it's a quantum resonance device named after the unusual
metallic element the device is made with found only in the region of
Framistan located in a very hard to access and difficult to mine area
between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The substance requires special
handling and UPS and FedEx have a very hard time getting in and out of
Framistan so even though each device requires a tiny amount of the
element, it's very expensive due to the great difficulty obtaining it.
If that doesn't satisfy them I finally explain that they will die if
they do not walk away from me immediately. ^_^
How many here have sold a home and had it inspected in the last 6
Most here would want to buy a fixer upper, save money, and DIY.
Home buyers I had dealings with:( Want a perfect code compliant home
to the code 5 years in the future, tend to buy to the top of their
price range leaving no money for upgrades, complain about paint and
carpet color, and have home inspectors who havent a clue, basically a
The best way to avoid a LOT of hassles is minimize anything you can
that they might complain about.
If the service drop and meter will allow a upgrade to 200 amps, and
the existing panel is a WESTINGHOUSE, where you might get breakers but
not parts, I would upgrade to 200 amps in a heartbeat.....
of course your mileage may vary.
if you do repairs and upgrades before you try to sell home you can
DIY, once your in the sales process ALL work must be done by
registered contractors, at 5 times the cost....
I have a very good elderly friend whos home is literally falling
apart. Needs roof leaking, box gutters bad, porch floor bad, bricks on
bad areas so no one falls thru, home not painted in 25 years.......
he states home is great top notch, he is in his 80s and saving the
money for his old age. he is a millionaire.....
A house with a 150 service and a subpanel is code compliant,
is it not? How you make something code compliant today to new
codes that will exist 5 years from now, I don't know.
tend to buy to the top of their
The problem is, what is the cost of all of that minimizing?
The roof is 18 years old, get a new roof? WH is 8 years old,
get a new WH? HVAC is 12 years old, get a new HVAC?
Or in the case under discussion, pay $2000 more
to upgrade the electric service instead of installing a subpanel?
And if you have buyers that are going to want discounts because
of carpet or paint color, where does it end? I would submit
that you could spend $25K trying to minimize and then the
buyers still want $2K of stuff fixed. If you didn't do the $25K in
fixing what isn't really broken, might they not then agree to $5K
in repairs to cover some stuff, that isn't really broken? So IMO
you could spend $25K+$2K or you could just knock off $5K at
sale time. Or buy them a warranty on the furnace, AC, etc
And if you have a nut case buyer that is being totally
unreasonable, unless you're desperate to sell, I say just
say no. If they are so worried about squeezing every
nickel out of your hide, they are probably also just as
worried about seeing their $500 for home inspection,
the $200 or so they already spent on a lawyer go down
the drain if they don't buy the house.
Who exactly says that you can't do the work yourself?
It's still my house. And anything I could do legally before,
I can still do, unless you signed a contract that says
otherwise. If so, then I guess you have to call an electrician
to replace a GFI and a painter to paint the front door.
There is a difference between a house that is an obvious
wreck and fixing things that really aren't broken in an attempt
to eliminate any possible objection.
There is no "standard" and the ones I've signed did not
contain any such clauses. I mean it's ridiculous if or example the
buyer is bitching about extending downspouts,
a leaky faucet, or trash on the property to
require licensed contractors. I've sold properties and
done the few things squawked myself and no one bitched.
Why would you sign a contract that says any and all
repairs have to be done by a licensed contractor?
I just looked through "Contract for Sale of Real Estate - Residential"
for NY, Caifornia and Florida at http://www.uslegalforms.com/
Maybe those contracts aren't "standard", but I was unable to find any
mention that "all repairs must be done by registered licensed
contractors with receipts".
I searched the documents for "repair", "licensed" and "contractor" and
while "licensed" comes up with regard to Radon inspections and some
other items, none of the contracts say anything about repairs being
done by licensed contractors.
The only thing I could find with regards to repairs were statements
"Buyer accepts the Property in its present condition; provided Seller,
at Seller’s expense, shall complete the following repairs and
and other such statements that do no more than define who will be
responsible for the repairs. Nothing is stated as to who must perform
Well I have sold a house, In PA its standard.
In phoenix my family bought and sold 5 or 6 homes. That clause was
standard on all home sales.
If you think about it a buyer gets a home inspector who finds
problems, so the buyer requires repairs.
to get quality repars the licensed contractor clause is standard, so
the seller gets a quality repair done and the buyer doesnt end up with
a safety hazard...
Here is a boilerplate contract from a PA real estate
Nothing about all repairs needing to be done by a licensed
contractor. So it can't be that standard. Also, I haven't seen it
in contracts here in the Peoples Republic of NJ. I would think it
would show up here long before PA.
sorry, but no. i live in phoenix, sold a house not too long ago, and the
standard contract did not include this clause. as a matter of fact, i
fixed a number of items myself, without any problems.
on page 3:
Buyer accepts the Property in its present condition; provided Seller, at
Seller’s expense, shall complete the following repairs and treatment:
Nope. If the buyer is worried about the quality of the repairs, he
gets it reinspected. I had that happen with some electrical issues in
my MIL's house. No big deal. The inspector didn't charge anything
for the second inspection; just a quick check.
On Apr 1, 4:23 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Like ANYTHING it might depend on the buyers agent.
My brother had a small wall by his driveway that had a minor hit, and
cracked. He fixed it himself and claimed he couldnt find the
receipt.... the buyer accepted his explnation.
but really a small wall by a driveway needs a pro? it wasnt a
retaining wall it was decorative....
I just did, dummy. I finished their "punch list" on Friday and they
moved in Saturday. I hired two contractors, one a roofer to look at
some "missing" shingles on the bottom edge of the chimney flashing
(there weren't supposed to be any there) and another to replace
another double-glazed window that failed (that makes 24 of 26 that
failed). Neither charged me a dime and all of the rest of the work I
did myself. No complaints.
Want to try again? ...or do you want to continue to show everyone
what a fool you are.
Oh, and my insurance company didn't bitch, either.
On Apr 1, 11:04 pm, email@example.com wrote:
Also, it's often easier to just fix the simple things yourself and
agree with the buyer on an amount to cover anything that's more
involved or that involves personal choice. Dishwasher doesn't
work? Here's $350, get one you like. It's faster and then
there is no arguing over the quality, results of repairs, etc.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:13:21 -0700 (PDT), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
I forgot to mention that the only reason I hired the above contractors
was 1) I knew there weren't supposed to be any shingles over the
chimney flashing (nothing to attach them to) but wanted someone else
to tell the buyer that and 2) the windows were under warranty so I had
to have a contractor do the work (dumb bastards built the windows
inside out and the low-E coating turned color because it was exposed
to the elements).
Absolutely. I've been on both ends of that deal, too. It's perfectly
normal. This stuff isn't the rocket-surgery Haller pretends it to be.
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