Undisturbed, it <may>...but most wire used at the time had fiber
insulation or natural rubber compounds that will have detiorated over
the years...in our old barn and house, it has just fallen off the wires
in places leaving bare wire....(no longer used, just some is left
abandoned in place)
as others note, it is ok if never altered, but in this case
a) it had been obviously hacked into in numerous places
b) failing insulation had left exposed bare wire in numerous places
c) we could not find an insurance company that would cover us with K&T
since we could not afford to have the work done, i paid an electrician to
come in and put in a new 200 amp service and then rewired the whole house
from scratch myself. despite never having done electrical work, i passed
both inspections on the first try with no corrections. i also managed to do
the whole thing without ever getting an electrical shock :-O
(this is why i like DIY - i learned a huge amount, saved a lot of money, was
able to get it done exactly the way i want it and developed a knowledege
base that makes me much more confident in future projects.)
On 12 Jan 2005 04:49:29 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
The first and only time I used an inspector was on my first home some 15 years
ago. Back then friends advised us not to waste our money and we took the
opinion that you are taking now and went ahead with an inspector who seemed
Of course, he missed a significant problem with the roof. Same old song and
Since then, I've become self-educated enough regarding home owner problematic
issues and I perform my own home inspections. I've found a few problems that
I'm convinced a paid "professional" would have glanced over.
Prior to my getting an inspector - and now 15 years later, I have yet to hear
a positive comment from any friends or co-workers regarding home inspectors.
Word of mouth says a lot about the industry.
a house is one of the most important things you will ever buy, and can be a
very costly mistake. take a couple weeks. check out the books at the
library. come up with your own punchlist and take it to each house. inform
another good idea is to have a look at someone elses inspection sheets. you
can use it as your punch list, or at least a good start on it.
i too perform my own inspections. sure i might (will) miss something, but
so might (will) the inspector and he charges an arm and a leg, and in either
case im still stuck paying for it myself.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:28:35 -0600, John Willis
Yesterday we went and repaired that leaky roof the home inspector
passed. Without exception that was the worst valley installation I've
ever seen in over 25 years of doing this kind of work. I stand by my
earlier comments about the installers as well as that inspector. There
is no excuse for that kind of behavior. The installers of the roof had
no business being there and neither did the home inspector. Splitting
hairs about how the home inspector was just trying to keep a realtor
happy by not wrecking a deal is just rationalization and making
excuses for attitudes and behaviors that have no excuse.
As for our repair, I guarantee the valley will not leak. I don't
guarantee the rest of the roof at all and in fact I know that there
will be other leaks show up, I just don't know where yet. The only way
to repair an installation this bad is to tear it all off and start
fresh. Fortunately we get big hail storms through here every few
years-hence our high home insurance rates!:~(
Thanks for the comments regarding the lack of integrity of many home
inspectors. Failing to do a job the way it ought to be done when
someone is paying you their hard earned money is no different than
stealing. If the best of your ability isn't good enough then you (this
particular home inspector, I mean) need to find another line of work.
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)
Don't think anybody was making an excuse or justifying incompetence (at
least I certainly wasn't)--just pointing out the conflict of interest in
utilizing any one who is, in fact, representing the seller (whether
directly or not). That some are more ethical and competent than others
is, of course, obvious.
Anyway, glad that the problem has been addressed by someone who
(apparently) is both...
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:31:07 -0600, in alt.home.repair you wrote:
Thanks for the understanding. Usually I can just let these kinds of
things go, but when the home owner said she had it inspected and
nothing at all was said about the roof, it just went against the
When tearing out the valley, on the second shingle from the top on the
first side I was removing, I found no fewer than forty 1 1/2" Paslode
staples shot through a GAF Timberline shingle that was less than two
feet long. I am not making this up. And the rest of the valley only
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)
Well, let me tell you about what I found on the roof here Dad paid
untold gazillions on... :)
Wood shingle, no starter row on two sides w/ open deck roof. Holes as
wide as 1/2" by 1" direct to the soffet underneath...
Use of metal drip edge w/ wood shingle on roof where a bed mould was
used so that the shingle end/side overhangs for drip edge and leaves a
really nice detail. The drip edge was put on that mould, the shingle
left short -- resulting in capillary action pulling the water under the
shingle, over and behind the drip edge and down the fascia behind the
bed mould. Net result--paint failure in less than two years of the
brand new paint job as well.
Since the roof is <5 years old, I made a drip edge of 6" wide flashing
w/ a 1" break at the roof pitch angle and slid it under the end of the
shingles to provide the necessary drip edge. Works like a charm and
helps hide the ugly drip edge at least some. Some so-called
"professionals" aren't. :(
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