AAA: E15 could really fark up your car, void warranties

"The AAA says the Environmental Protection Agency and gasoline retailers should halt the sale of E15, a new ethanol blend that could damage millions of vehicles and void car warranties. AAA, which issued its warning today, says just 12 million of more than 240 million cars, trucks and SUVs now in use have manufacturers' approval for E15. "

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HeyBub
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Either there will be a massive failure of vehicles and a large class-action= lawsuit, or nothing will become of this "the sky is falling" BS.

It's gonna suck because your MPG will go down another 5%, and gas prices ar= e not going to go down because of it.

Ethanol is a big middle-finger to the Arab oil sheiks, and puts the money i= n the pockets of good hard-working patriotic American farmers, so I don't k= now why people get so hot over it...

Oh wait, I do know why: It's because you self-proclaimed "conservatives" ca= n't stand to see ANYONE succeed. You're no better than the "liberals" you c= laim to be the opposite of.

The main difference between "conservatives" and "liberals" is: "Conservativ= es" only want *THEMSELVES* to succeed, and will manipulate the system to en= sure that happens. "Liberals" want *NOBODY* to succeed, and will manipulate= the system to ensure that happens.

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My Dodge van is able to handle E-85 fuel but no one has it in their pumps. I would use it if it was available. If you believe anything that the Petroleum Institute puts out then you are gullible.

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Roy

Ethanol requires fossil fuels to plant, harvest, transport, distil. Last time I looked, it's energy negative. Takes more energy to produce, than what you get back.

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Ethanol is a big middle-finger to the Arab oil sheiks, and puts the money in the pockets of good hard-working patriotic American farmers, so I don't know why people get so hot over it...

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Stormin Mormon

As a self proclaimed conservative, I'd like to see all hard working, honest people become wealthy. I'd like the US government to live within it's Constitutional authority, and within its collected budget. I'd like to see both taxes and spending greatly lowered, and the powers delegated to the states.

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Oh wait, I do know why: It's because you self-proclaimed "conservatives" can't stand to see ANYONE succeed. You're no better than the "liberals" you claim to be the opposite of.

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Stormin Mormon

Conservatives would like all hard working, honest people to succed. Liberals woud like government to succeed in running the lives of everyone.

You should listen to Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. It would all bcome more clear to you.

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The main difference between "conservatives" and "liberals" is: "Conservatives" only want *THEMSELVES* to succeed, and will manipulate the system to ensure that happens. "Liberals" want *NOBODY* to succeed, and will manipulate the system to ensure that happens.

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Stormin Mormon

Try Fastrac stations, found in NYS. Plenty of E-85 to be found.

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My Dodge van is able to handle E-85 fuel but no one has it in their pumps.

I would use it if it was available.

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Stormin Mormon

Why? We can't think for ourselves? I'm tired of all these talk shows regardless of party. They all think they're smarter than everyone else.

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Doug

on lawsuit, or nothing will become of this "the sky is falling" BS.

are not going to go down because of it.

in the pockets of good hard-working patriotic American farmers, so I don't= know why people get so hot over it...

How about the starving children, dying in Africa? Is that a good enough reason? Diversion of crops to ethanol has tripled the price of grains. That hits everyone from those struggling in this country who buy corn flakes, to those hungry children in Africa. Don't forget to factor in that increased cost in corn flakes, beef, bread, and lives lost.

As for the good hard-working American farmers, sounds like something out of a Norman Rockwell painting. A lot of the farmers producing the bulk of the ethanol crops and making money off it better fit the profile of the 1% that the libs hate. Meaning they are multi-millionaires and/or large corporations that are profiting.

can't stand to see ANYONE succeed. You're no better than the "liberals" you= claim to be the opposite of.

That's a new and crazy concept. Last time I checked, it's not conservatives that want to punish success.

ives" only want *THEMSELVES* to succeed, and will manipulate the system to = ensure that happens. "Liberals" want *NOBODY* to succeed, and will manipula= te the system to ensure that happens.

Nonsense. A system of low tax rates and less govt benefits EVERYONE.

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trader4

I like the conservative perspective. Nice to have someone helping keep an eye on the power mads who are in office.

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Why? We can't think for ourselves? I'm tired of all these talk shows regardless of party. They all think they're smarter than everyone else.

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Stormin Mormon

the pockets of good hard-working patriotic American farmers, so I don't know why people get so hot over it...

For once, we are in violent agreement. Corn based ethanol is a disaster. We are burning food.

If it becomes cost efficient to get ethanol from cellulose, that's another story. But we ain't there yet. The only positive thing about ethanol in gasoline is that it is not as bad as the alternative: MTBE.

-- Doug

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Douglas Johnson

feed a man one time and he will be grateful, feed him more than that and he won't grow his own food.

as far as beef goes, the DDGS provide a higher protein content than the corn and the Distillers need to either sell it or pay to have it disposed.

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

But tend to buy up their companies and sell the scraps

Liberals woud like government

Romney and crowd listened to them and made the absolute mistake of believing them

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

If only they had spoke up when the power mads in office were touting WMDs in Iraq

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

nit: that basically only applies to corn based ethanol. Brazil for some eerie reason is able to grow sugar cane and produce ethanol that is energy positive

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

As a self-proclaimed liberal, I'd like to see all wealthy people be honest and ethical

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote in news:atlas-bugged- snipped-for-privacy@news.solani.org:

Won't work in the U.S., though, because the climate here won't support production of sugar cane on the scale required.

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Doug Miller

Those Limousine Liberals sure do have a long way to go in that sense. ^_^

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

Possibly, but they won't all fail at once. Perhaps some will never fail and others will fail over a several year period.

Because, as you said, MPG will go down for the same price paid. Plus, food prices will go up.

Balderdash!

I have a better definition: Conservatives want to PROMOTE the general welfare through the ECONOMY, liberals want to PROVIDE for the general welfare through the TREASURY.

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HeyBub

And the US does not permit the importation of Brazilian ethanol.

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HeyBub

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