Have a building where condensers are on ground and the Bum's in the city are cutting and stealing all the copper.
Anyone know of a product that can use plastic lines and glycol to cool 5 ton units? Or, a product were we can put the condenser inside the building and duct the air to the condenser and back out? Thinking of a high static type system so we don't have to cut 3 x 3 foot holes into concrete foundations.
Have to do something with five units that were cut out recently.
Rich
A 30-06 with a night scope and silencer or A security camera with a good light source. Bubba
hell yeah Rich. I've installed a 5ton gas fired chiller that will allow usage of sch40 pvc for piping. They can be ganged together for multiple loads or ran individually. Imagine 5tons of cooling on a 15 amp 220volt single phase circuit!
Also occasionally service a house that has 5 split condensers in their attic. Air is ducted in and exhausts thru fixed louvers. Installed
32" dia ducting up thru the roof into a screened china cap off packages & splits inside attics in commercial bldgs.I can think of 4 buildings that have package units inside the building and no ducting whatsoever. standard pkg equipment.
How about some more detail? You talking water cooled systems, or R22 based split systems?
It wouldn't matter, cause in either of these cases... you wouldn't know where to start anyway.
name ONE water cooled condenser containing copper or copper aluminum coils, you top posting cocksucker.
Hmm, not a bad idea. They cut that puppy their into some nasty amonia... That would be funny! The only problem with them is they are inefficient compared to a regular AC. unless of course that has changed dramatically over the last few years.
I've only seen it one time back in the mid 80's, it didn't work very well because the blade fan just doesn't have the capacity to overcome duct resistance, unless you use 32" !! Man, that is big round duct :-)
Fish, did any have a booster type system on them to assist the static shortage of the condenser fan?
Heck, are there any systems out there that use squirl cage systems on the condenser side?
Man, my wife is bugging me to take her out for Custard. She wants Rossoti's. Whats the flavor tonight, Mark? :-)))
both, could be r-410A too. Heck, I would consider Ammonia as Fish suggested if they pay for all the tools I would need to service them in the future.
In the 80's we had this problem and we anchored the units to the concrete with anchors and bolts. (this may not work for you)
The units that use glycol are water source heat pumps. They require plastic lines dug into the ground 4 to 6 feet depending on your freeze zone. It's a pretty heavy investment. Do you have a source of water like a pond or a well?
The other unit you can use is a cooling tower that is installed on the ground with any kind of water line to the cooling unit that can be inside the building.
Also the a/c unit with a cooling tower does not use much copper so it could be outside also. Need to drain the water in the winter or use antifreeze.
Or, a product were we can put the condenser inside the building and
Can you locate the a/c units on the roof. I have not seen thieves go there. Also I have seen metal stands 6 to 10 feet tall with a/c on the top. This could be the least expensive choice
Dad
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Fence it in with chain link and put barb wire on top. Cheapest thing you can do.
This is too funny for a couple of reasons. We put a huge blast freezer in for this company in Cleveland, it was about 6 stories high. They fed the dogs laced with sleeping pills, cut the fence, got on the roof with a truck lift, cut all the copper out, 4" copper and left!!
Here's the funny part, and Mark will appreciate it. I did a search just now to see if they have a website, and guess what I found. BTW, they are muslins there.
Seems the feds are going after them. We were there in the Ghetto part of Cleveland when Al Gore visited and all the streets were locked down for about 30 minutes as our nice shinny limo drove him around the poor areas to buy perogies.
The building was 6 stories high, not the freezer
James, they're cutting the copper do you think a chain link fence is gonna stop them ????
They're not taking the units just the copper.
Connect an alarm siren up to the 24 vac wiring.
Electrify it. :-)
the last one I installed weighed over 900 lbs, with just the amonia charge in it. 17 lbs of it if i recall. the condenser was steel tube, steel plates. chiller barrel was stainless, but when they cut into that the amonia will knock em down quick. not one iota of copper tubing in it.
the manufacturer has made dramatic improvements in the last few years, including adding a heat pump to their lineup
nope. standard condenser fan motor. like i said, i oversized the duct. had a local shop custom fab an offset, china cap, roof jack, straight pipe and used a canvas flex connector (Durodyne Jr) at the point of attachment to the condenser discharge. The flex makes it easy to do a fan motor changeout, plus it eliminates vibration up the duct.
well once you know the cfm of the original design, no reason you couldnt build a fitting to accomodate a squirrel cage with similiar cfm! then put a fan handler on it for the ultimate control in condensing temps...
Can you say lawsuit :-))
Yea, but THEY might not be stealing it anymore. LoL
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