Whenever there is a natural disaster, the tsunami in the Indian Ocean
for example, the world community expects the United States to help.
When a natural disaster hits the USA, the world community is silent.
where are they when the coastal United States needs them now? This
disaster will affect not only the country's economy, but probably the
world's.........ah well, life goes on, does it not? And the hurricane
season is only half over.......
I just wonder what it's going to take to wake people up to the inevitability
of gas rationing, and astronomical prices of food, products, etc. I mean,
do they realize that despite we're still in the end days of summer, we're
approaching fall, and there are a lot of people who heat their homes with
oil? (I have a heat pump that works off of electricity, and for back up
during power outs, a simple fireplace in one room with an electric blower
which of course won't work during a power outage, but at least I can open
the doors <g>) and that oil will be so highly priced they'll have to decide
wheather to be cold or buy high priced food?
sigh.................we ain't seen nothing yet on how this hurricane has
affected the country.................................(I was horrified
yesterday by them showing the main pipeline that runs from New Orleans up
thru to New York that has a major break in it....... I mean, wanna just send
flyers out to potential terrorists for strike targets?? Geeze! and no, I
don't normally worry about stuff like that, I mean, I live less than 60
miles from Oak Ridge for crying out loud, I won't have time to do more than
put my head between my knees and kiss my arse goodbye if something were to
happen over there............
Howze yer gardening going, lady? haven't heard from you in awhile. I've been
laying low, myself letting the weedy grasses overtake the pathways, and
enjoying the multitude of flowers that persist despite my lack of
involvement. Depression and disaster are interesting bedmates. I've been
struggling all summer. But at least I'm safe. I feel badly for the people
down in the gulf. And if it weren't for the fact that I am the
transportation for my son's job responsibilities, I'd pack up and go down
there and do what I could to help. I'd feel much better doing that, believe
thanks for hollering back.
and we ain't seen nothing yet on the effects this is gonna have I
realize,son works at Lowes at night stocking his store he used to work days
in plumbing......he doesn't have a CLUE what is about to unfold in regards
to products, deliveries, availabilities, etc................life is about to
change in ways people haven't seen since Depression days. good thing I'm a
pack rat when it comes to food supplies.........which reminds me, I need to
hit Wally world for arse wipe and liquid soap while I can and while gas is
ONLY $2.69 a gallon...........sigh...................
well I spoke too soon...............I drove to town (six miles) and gas has
hit $3.29 for regular.....that's a jump of .$.70 per gallon and yesterday
morning we topped off the tank while it was still $2.43............
It's hard to compare gasoline price from one county to the next. People here
in the USA often proudly point to our low gas prices. They say "If you don't
like paying $2.65/gal go to Europe where they pay $6/gal. The problem with
this is that the people in Europe or the UK who pay big gas prices also have
national health care that is paid for by the high gas tax. Oil is a
commodity that is sold for the same price, more or less, to all takers. We
don't have cheap gas in the US because we are "blessed" or because we are
crafty deal makers. We have cheap gas because there are lower taxes and
fewer services. Other people have expensive gas AND health care. I'm not
sure we have the better deal. Two dollar a gallon gas won't do much for you
if you have no health care and you experience a major health crisis or you
have a chronic disease.
there's a problem Betsy........the prices have already hit $3.29. I use
regular since there's no way I can afford the "premium" gasoline at $3.59
per gallon. At Exxon stations, the premium gas is almost $4! I saw the local
Exxon showing prices for premium as $3.89. My best bet would have actually
been to have followed my instincts (too late now) and top off the tank,
again, and saved myself almost $4 for the total savings.
And that doesn't mean that $3.29 is the lowest price it will stop at before
the oil reserves are processed. That might take a little bit. Enough time
to clean me out of anything I have to go towards gasoline. At least my son
gets paid Friday, but that's every two weeks. So we have to figure that
yesterday's half tank of gasoline which cost $24.30 will today cost us
$32.90. That's $8.60 difference. Now factor in that unless I jump on the
$3.29 now, and wait until tomorrow morning, the price might actually be
HIGHER. And gas buddy's website is showing prices relevent to Monday's
prices when it was still a DOLLAR cheaper than it is three days
later................................... I don't know where you are, but
where I am, I'm feeling screwed and it ain't even getting started. Here's
the insult. I knew prices were going to go up. I even anticipated higher
everything prices eventually because of the cost of transporting. But what I
didn't expect was when I decided not to run the very necessairy errand this
afternoon after seeing the huge price increase, I stopped at the local
grocery store and they had ALREADY RAISED PRICES ON STORE
ITEMS..............yesterday I could have gotten the meager items for much
less. So gouging is already in progress before the set cost of all this has
become evident. I see a long season and winter ahead of me with lots of
rice and beans and cornbread...............
(you might think this is being extreme, let me give you the example:
yesterday, a good medium sized bottle of orange Dawn liquid detergent would
have cost me $1.89 with my Food City discount card. Today, that same bottle
was priced at $2.99. Now I know that bottle was there yesterday. It wasn't
brought in today by the truck. I went to get a couple of microwave dinners
for supper. Monday I could have gotten them for 2@$5. today those same
dinners were 2@$6 so you see, it hasn't even begun and the stores are
already taking advantage.
Now add insult to injury. My son's friend and his mother and aunt's headed
to Houston Sunday in the path of the hurricane. They checked into the hotel
and paid $52.95 + tax for their rooms each. Yesterday, Antonio told my son
that they were notified by the management that their room rates were higher.
They figured since they were approaching Labor Day weekend, and went down to
pay for a week in advance until they could find a condo to rent. They were
informed that the room rates were now $134.95 per night, and this was no
Marriott either. It was a nice average hotel on the outskirts of Houston.
He and his mother and aunt's are now frantically searching for a condominium
to rent to save money that the hotel is gouging them for
'nuff said. And I figure there will be more attrocities in the upcoming days
and weeks and months. I won't bore anyone with updates on it. I've said
The stores are reflecting what they are being charged for delivery by truck,
for all our food and household products. I am thinking we might be heading
into a depression. I was born durning the last one. NJ is jacking gas prices
by 50 cents in the next couple days. We are retired and don't really need to
go anywhere we don't choose. We are fortunate in that way.
Please don't think that way - that gas prices will cause a depression.
We might be in for a rough time over the next few weeks, but preliminary
indications are that the energy/gasoline problems coming from Katrina will
be temporary. The issue is not really the oil supply, but distribution, and
to a lesser extent, refinery capacity.
Regarding distribution, the broken pipelines in LA are being repaired as we
speak. Although port and rail out of NO harbor will take longer to restore,
they will be a priority. And the EPA has temporarily waived all of the
special fuel blend requirements for different parts of the country, so that
distributors can get gas from the places that have it to the places that
Regarding refining capacity, all of LA only has 8% of the nation's refinery
capacity - even if LA's refineries were out of commission for an extended
period (which they won't be), we could manage to conserve 8% of our gasoline
without too much hardship. Higher prices for gasoline hurt people's wallets,
and I know that they will be a hardship for some. However, they also will
encourage people to conserve - by planning ahead, limiting unneccessary
Unfortunately, panic about gas supplies has exactly the opposite effect:
people go stock up on gas, including filling upevery container they can find
and hoarding gas. This causes an artificial shortage, which causes more
panic, which causes more people to hoard what they can find, and perpetuates
a vicious cycle. If we could get people to calm down and just take some
reasonable steps to conserve gas, we'd be fine. But given human nature, I
fear at least some areas will end up rationing gas over the next few weeks.
I really hope I'm wrong.
What's criminal is that the nation has not added any refinery capacity since
the 1970s. Don't you think we use just a *little* more gas now than we did
30 years ago? If we had some headroom in our petroleum refining and
distribution system, we wouldn't be in such a fix now.
My two cents' worth,
Oh, stop being so rational! We all know that gas prices NEVER EVER fall to
previous price levels once a supply interruption or shortage is over. We
will see prices that were already too high at $2.65/gal go to $4.10/gal.
When everything is back online, prices will drop to $3.37/gal. and the
talking heads will rejoice and declare victory.
We have already started changing our habits. I don't leave home unless I
know where and why I am going. But, even if you stay home this is going to
get you. A cold winter has been predicted and all energy prices are going
to rise due to disruption in supply or distribution along with a strong
demand from developing countries like China. Everything has an energy
component in the price, both for production and transportation. Insurance
prices are likely to rise, also. I think that we were in bad spot already
with a jobless recovery. Wages are slipping and poverty is growing. With
most people only a couple of paychecks from disaster, I think you may be
right about the depression. It's breathtaking to think that we have gone
from a surplus to a financial disaster in about 5 years.
I fear your logical explanation will be invalidated by irrational voters.
Remember, the people who are dead and in peril in Louisiana rushed to polls
a few months ago to vote for an amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage, and
while they were there they voted Republican. They voted for 4 more years of
an administration that cut funding for flood control, including levee
constriction, for New Orleans. For some reason, people fear gays so much
that they will endanger themselves and knowingly vote against their own best
interest. As long as Republican can appeal to the dark side of our
population, they will prevail. Last year it was abortion, this year it is
gays, next year it will be something else. Never underestimate the power of
The biggest threat to gas pipe lines, which run across every state and
through almost every major town are inattentive backhoe operators. About a
year ago contractors for the alameda county water district hit the gasoline
pipeline with a backhoe, it ended up sending flames a hundred feet into the
air. Fortunately damage to the pipeline is rarely fatal to anyone except
the backhoe operator and the nearby crew.
The pipelines are clearly marked, and if you call the power company, they'll
even tell you where the natural gas and electric pipelines are. I bet the
public utilities commission has maps of where the gasoline pipelines are.
Their location is not exactly a secret.
At the most, attacking a gas pipeline would cause a spike in gas prices, but
so does a worm fart, otherwise big whoop.
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