And you? You call yourself a consulting forester but refuse to define what
one is and how you define a forest? I am referring to the link that is dead
on this page.
The plant you referenced does not look like a tree so why would a
forester know? Your photo is not very good. It does not show node
spacing, leaf axils, or many of the other ways a herbaceous plant can
be identified. I don't see anyone else trying to help identify it.
Do you mean that the only thing a forester is supposed to understand is just
a tree? I understand the USFS on salvaging projects defines the forest as a
single group or stand of trees under one or more ownerships. So that backs
up your question. I forgot their definition of a forest, thus - forester.
As far as they define it, a forester would be someone who makes decisions on
a single stand or group of trees under one or more ownerships. See then I
could plant and have a forest on a boat , in a plane or in a basement. I
choose to define a forest as a highly ordered arrangement of living
organisms living in, on and around trees, be they symplastless, symplast
maintaining or dead, in such a highly ordered fashion that it assures a
high quality survival for all parties. Wood of a tree is only properly
termed dead when it has been burnt to ashes. I use the word dead very
carefully. It's too easy to call something dead thus starting half truths
I have identified the one plant. White Wood Aster or maybe Eurybia
divaricata Thanks for you comment.
You changed the subject, to get away from being identified as a fraud,
Buttercup. I will define forester, consulting or other wise, when you admit
your a spamming fraud, trying to make a living off Shigo.
Shigo gave me the tools and techniques to do exactly what I am doing. I am
sorry you never got to dissect trees with him. You would have a whole
different view of trees and their associates if you did. The topic was ID
which you claim someone who is a biologist should know. First I have
studied tree biology specifically. I would think someone called a
consulting forester should know. Anyway, I now know. and I am not ashamed.
I did not know, but will repeat this process until every plant is
identified. And you Mr. Consulting Forester (whatever you mean) - AKA
Salvager, what is your plan or goal in life or with your so called
consulting forester career?
Continue to make a good living, buttercup, which, apparently from your
"resumee" something where you have not been very successful. You studied
nothing with Shigo, you were a saw hand, your "disections" were chopping
dead trees and limbs. You should be ashamed, ashamed for being the
unmitagate troll and fraud. I am beginning to think Shigo was a fraud as
well, just from associating with you.
Lets talk about fertilizer Don Staples.
Tree Fertilizer Conversation must start with the elements.
First if we are going to talk about fertilizer lets address each essential
element. Any one of these, if lacking, will determine the health of the
tree. The Law Of The Minimum.
Some terms defined in order that you may understand what I am asking or
saying. Food is a substance that provides and energy source, mostly.
Nutrient is a substance that provides an energy source, "elements", and
other substances essential for life, in types and amounts that can provide a
healthy life. Fertilizer is a substance that provides "elements", as salts
mostly, or in bonded forms, that require microorganisms to alter to forms
that can be absorbed by plants. Major elements in the crust on earth
H, Mg, Ti, Fe, Al, Ca, O, Si / 99%. Elements, All The Same Atoms.
Compounds, Two Or More Different Atoms Bonded. Mixture, Many different
atoms not bounded. In short, elements are single groups of atoms of the
Two lucid soil chemistry documents.
Essential Elements For Trees: Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen,
Phosphorus, Potassium, Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Manganese, Iron, Copper,
Boron, Molybdenum, Chlorine, Zinc, Nickel [Sodium, Cobalt, Selenium?]
Macroelements: Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium ????
Microelements: I think? Please correct me! I call them microelements
because they are anything but miner. When one is lacking the system can
fail. Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Manganese, Iron, Copper, Boron,
Molybdenum, Chlorine, Zinc, Nickel?
Are carbon, hydrogen and oxygen macro or micro elements?
1.. 14 come from the soil. Soil is a substance made up of sands, silts,
clays, decaying organic matter, air, water and an enormous number of living
organisms. Is it alive or dead? Yes, is the answer. We have no word for a
substance that is both living and dead - wood, soil.
2.. Many elements available only as ions in low pH soil.
3.. What else do we know or have data to back up?
Please add what you know about each element and I will add what I have
learned and documented about each element. I did do some pedology work in
old growth "forest".
Nitrogen - A macroelement. Too much N sets a predisposition to sucking
insects. Just ask the Christmas Tree farmer about the sucking insects.
If "fast release nitrogen" is added it can create an increase in growth of
symplast. Thus, increasing the demands on the soil for the other essential
elements required to support the requirements of the larger symplast. Water
and photosynthate would also be required in a larger amount. A tree that is
self thinning, e.g., anthracnose, or a mature tree would not require this
extra symplast to increase health of system. Urea story in links above.
The bad side of the urea story, about urea changing pH in rhizosphere, is
that after two to four weeks, the pH will decrease if certain bacteria are
present and active. This seesaw effect with pH changes is more common than
recognized in the rhizosphere. The problem is that when the pH conditions
favor pathogens, it does not take long for them to infect. The two
documents linked above have two informative articles on the topic. If you
have fireblight a little bit and you hit the tree with the element nitrogen
you will have a lot of fireblight. These are trade secretes. I have more
but none to share now.
Boron - Microelement.
Nickel - Discovered by Penn State with special equipment and added as the
17th essential element for trees. Is it an essential element for humans?
And what do you know about these elements? Are they essential?
Thank you for your participation in this discussion Don Staples
The second plant is definitely a Mahonia. My initial guess would be Mahonia
bealeai, commonly known as Leatherleaf Mahonia but there are dozens of
other varieties. Not an unattractive plant but it can spread pretty
aggressively and form large impassable spiny thickets when birds seed them
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