My mistake, you are correct.
Ideological beliefs. Thank you for this, I find it helpful in my understanding.
Wait...please don't forget your shovel with which to dig your own grave after eating worms....
Still sitting at your keyboard waiting for this response? ;-)
Charlie
Nice. ;-)
I know from personal experience that I used a LOT more water trying to garden than when I used to raise chickens, and even ducks! I've had to mostly give up food gardening (except for tomatoes, peppers, beans and herbs) because the water costs to me were so high, it's been cheaper to buy veggies from the farmers market. :-( I won't give up my home grown 'maters, and peppers don't take all that much water.
Container gardening has worked out well and cut water usage considerably.
CO2 goes back into the environment also.........
yeah yeah....obfuscation of the issue.
Try carp instead, hardly any use of water. ;-)
Charlie
"I don't drink water, fish f*ck in it." ~~~ WC Fields
Shhh! You're not supposed to ask that.
Bob
In article , "Zootal" wrote:
Eel sauce? It might taste fine but my first reaction is that my heart goes out to you. Eel sauce. I don't even want to eat eel (elle maybe but not eel). I just consider it a testimony as to how hungry a person can get. It's right up there with the Donner party.
Some may call for vegetarianism on moral, health, or economic grounds but we are omnivores. We have four canine teeth. Our dinner is our choice for better or worse.
Do you live near a Confined Animal Feeding Operation? I don't but I have yet to read about anyone who is pleased to have them for a neighbor. Apparently, they render the air unbreathable and foul the water table. The animals live in manure which is part of the reason that abattoirs have trouble keeping the meat free of salmonella and e. coli (especially Escherichia coli O157:H7). An estimated 76 million cases of foodborne disease occur each year in the United States. The great majority of these cases are mild and cause symptoms for only a day or two. Some cases are more serious, and CDC estimates that there are 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths related to foodborne diseases each year.
Now here is a futuristic idea, what if we put the cattle on that land to graze on grass (their historic food source)? No stress related meat impact, reduced antibiotic use, cleaner air and water, no contamination from being fed animal residue, less crap on the animals to contaminate our food, and it would make American meat competitive with anybody's.
Wadda ya think Zoot? What would that be worth to you? Ten cents a pound, twenty-five cents, a dollar?
And if you are looking for new energy sources, look hard. We Americans use 25% of the world's energy but we represent only 5% of the worlds population. Funny thing is that everyone wants to live the way they see us live on the movie screens. India and China, representing 40% of the world's population, are presently trying to close that gap. So if you find a new energy source, make sure there will be plenty of it because a lots of people want it.
Nah you're wrong on this one. Eel is delicious. Served grilled on a ball of rice with this sweet brown sauce it actually functions as dessert after meal of sushi and/or sashimi. Sushi place i go makes this roll that's snow crab, onions, and spicy carrots (gobo) on the inside, with eel in the sauce on the outside. It's the sushi equivalent of a cake. :P
ml
So, you think the original posting is bullshit and of no concern?
Charlie
Sometimes you just get this.....feeling, ya' know?
Perusal thru files gives insight, at least to me. More than I wanted to know.
Charlie
I've driven by them.
Food irradiation is safe and would render this a non-problem for both produce and meats, and would drastically increase shelf-life.
Unfortunately, too many ignorant fools are opposed to it. I wish I could get a home unit, but the price is prohibitive.
Not bullshit babe, just of no concern.
There is no doubt that it uses that much water, but water is not destroyed by it.
It is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. :-)
We need more desalinization plants. That would solve the entire planets need for both water, and salt.
touche
Why so hostile? I didn't accuse meat eating people of anything. I merely exposed my own reasons. And plants are not sentient beings. They do not have a conscience or an awareness. Some say studies show plants react to certain stimuli. True. According to my belief system, they are not sentient.
As for the masks, of course th>Plants are forms of life also. Each plant we eat was once a sentient being
No, I went to bed after posting :-)
At my age I live with one foot in the grave, I dug it years ago...
Guilty as charged babe. If the USDA would only lable the food then we could each have what we want ;o)
? Our trained taste testers noted a slight but distinct off-taste and smell in most of the irradiated beef and chicken we cooked and sampled, likening it to singed hair. In the beef, the taste was detectable even with a bun, ketchup, and lettuce. Because it was usually subtle, however, some consumers may not notice it.
? Irradiated food is safe to eat, according to federal and world health officials. It certainly does not become radioactive. But a recent study on the chemical byproducts that irradiation creates in meat has led some researchers and the European Parliament to call for further studies.
At least labeling is mandatory for irradiation, a process in which blasts of Cobalt-60 or electron beams kill potentially dangerous bacteria. The FDA requires that nuked foods be marked with a stylized flower called a "radura" and a statement such as "treated with radiation." After strenuous lobbying by industry, the FDA consented to reduce the size of the label, and the National Food Processors Association is now trying to replace the word radiation ("Few consumers express willingness to purchase foods with such a label statement") with "cold pasteurization."
Irradiated meat will probably first appear in hospitals, nursing homes, and schools, where there are no labeling requirements and the industry can claim to be protecting vulnerable populations from pathogens like E. coli and salmonella. "They're using the excuse of food-borne disease," claims Wenonah Hauter, director of Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project, "but it's really about shelf life." Irradiated hamburger, she says, can last 35 days; strawberries, up to 3 weeks.
Critics fear that irradiation's promise to kill pathogens at the end of the packing process will encourage sloppiness before that point. This concern was reinforced by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's shift to a new meat-inspection system (simultaneous with its approval of irradiated meat) that will focus on random visits and eliminate 150 inspectors, saving the food industry $19 million a year. Already, says Public Citizen, processed chickens are exhibiting more visible fecal matter. "Americans don't want to eat fecal matter," notes Hauter, "even if the bacteria's dead."
Doesn't seem to stop the GMO people, or our government from reducing the number of inspectors at meat packing plants, or the introduction of nano additives to our food chain, or medications released with only in house assessments of their safety, or planning the containment of radioactive waste for the next 10,000 years.
I would agree, first do no harm and, then proceed cautiously.
Dang, now if'n we could only get a politician to talk like that. I'll vote fer ya David.
bacterial is just nature braking down old dead life form. Sloppy hygiene can be excused too. Similar issues with ultra pasteurization. Cook it to kill it then kill it again and call it fresh. As a child the milkman came and placed our order in a insulated box the first one to bring it in got the cream top. Fresh orange juice and all fruit are under Orwellian language assault too. Hell it is all food. Cheapening of our food supply and the idea of real or fresh devalued hurts us and may make us sick. Where is the life force where is Goethe and the vitalist left to the orient ?
............ Caught one and brought it home alive Thought what to do and who to ask over So many squeamish Yet life celebrated is remembed as much more than just a meal
Bill
Ol' alligator mouth here, again, babe. Not every one has access to large rivers or lakes and they have to pump their water out of the ground from aquifers. The problem is that in many places the rate at which the water is being pumped is much greater than the recharge rate.
Lester R. Brown
Scores of countries are overpumping aquifers as they struggle to satisfy their growing water needs. The drilling of millions of irrigation wells has pushed water withdrawals beyond recharge rates, in effect leading to groundwater mining. The failure of governments to limit pumping to the sustainable yield of aquifers means that water tables are now falling in countries that contain more than half the world¹s people, including the big three grain producers?China, India, and the United States.
Most of the world¹s aquifers are replenishable, so that when they are depleted, the maximum rate of pumping will be automatically reduced to the rate of recharge. Fossil aquifers, however, are not replenishable. For these?including the vast U.S. Ogallala aquifer, the deep aquifer under the North China Plain, or the Saudi aquifer, for example?depletion brings pumping to an end. Farmers who lose their irrigation water have the option of returning to lower-yield dryland farming if rainfall permits. But in more arid regions, such as in the southwestern United States or the Middle East, the loss of irrigation water means the end of agriculture.
And ya know, that can't be a good thing :o(
Not only that but the distance from the toilet bowl to D. Staples water glass is going to get shorter and, shorter and, shorter and, . . .
So while there is a hydrology cycle where everything goes round and round for the good, and in the long run it is a zero sum game, it doesn't always go to where it is needed.
If we do go for desalinization, I hope we can keep it away from the thieving private sector, where the populous have even less effect than we do on our putative representatives.
Charlie, I got a question. Is an anarchist a liberal or a conservative? Just tryin' to visualize my place in the world while I still have one ;o)
That would be a radical Libertarian. I think.
The more interesting question is, is the Antichrist a liberal or a conservative? ;-)
Bob
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