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[Tom Watson]

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Rockler Woodworking Store ? Hard-to-Find Woodworking Items. 50 Years in Business. See Our Sales ? Search Result 2 From: Paul T. Radovanic ( [e-mail]) Subject: Re: Do you lift or drag your plane back at the end of a stroke? View: Complete Thread (16 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Date: 2001-09-02 07:34:08 PST

I rarely mention this, but I stopped lapping plane soles to perfection a long time ago.

This is only my own personal experience, so take it for what it is worth.

I found that soles lapped to a mirror finish caused *more* friction/resistance, or whatever you want to call it.

Stopping at 320 grit seems just about perfect. The sole doesn't get as warm, and the plane is easier to use.

I have no clue as to the "injuneering" reasons for this. I'm strictly an "empirical Galoot" -- I believe my own eyes and experience. This works for me.

Paul Rad

Regards, Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

[Tom Watson]

Tom,

The answer is yes, you can. Shellac makes a great sealer -- much better than lacquer. And the two go together very well. In many cases, some woods would drink up lacquer endlessly for days, but shellac will seal it right up in one or two coats.

Now, I've never done a segmented turning, and I have only a little experience at turning and finishing padauk. So consider this speculation based on limited experience.

The trick is going to be applying the first coat or three of shellac in *very* thin layers to the padauk only, so it dries lickety-split. If you apply a thicker layer, the liquid alcohol has a longer time to dissolve and 'draw up' the red. If this is a solid ring of padauk, I would probably do this with an artist's paint brush; no big deal. If the segments are small pieces randomly interspersed throughout the vessel, it might drive you to inventing new words. ;^>

Once you have that first sealer coat or two applied this way to the padauk, I would wipe on a full coat of shellac to the entire vessel. Then again, I would more likely apply five or six coats so that I had enough build to sand it smooth without cutting back to raw wood. Then you can begin to build your lacquer coats.

Oh, I would use only dewaxed blonde shellac for this.

As always, experiment first.

HTH,

Paul Rad

Regards, Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

[Tom Watson]

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First of all, I agree with leaving sapwood as is --*IF* you took that into consideration when you designed the piece and laid out the wood for grain alignment, etc. I glued up a tabletop, aligning the sapwood edges. It made five boards look like three, and the overall color is excellent.

You're dealing with sharp contrasts, just as if you were to use maple and walnut together. Sapwood can add beauty, but if it isn't laid out correctly within that dark heartwood, it can be gaudy and awkward.

There are times when you want to color it. You can use the darker stains; it's a personal preference. My personal favorite is to use a honey/amber water-based dye, and apply it only to the sapwood, sort of blending it in to the heartwood areas. I like my walnut to be multi-colored. The honey/amber is not a stark contrast, and it compliments the heartwood.

I use either Clearwater Color Co.'s Honey/Amber gel dye, or Homestead Finishing's Transtint flavor. Homestead doesn't call it "honey/amber"

-- I think they call it Golden Brown -- ask the owner, Jeff Jewitt at

he'll answer right away.

HTH,

Paul Rad

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:37:21 -0600, "Dean Lapinel" wrote:

Regards, Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

[Edwin Pawlowski]

And what the wreck should strive to be.

The mirror finish will make for more friction as thee is more surface contact between the plane and the wood. Something to be aware of. Ed

[Dave Balderstone]

Tom,

Here's the secret of the universe, just for you:

"Things Change"

[Tom Watson]

Politicians love to pigeonhole us.

I use the terms "liberal" and "conservative" in their true sense, not in the sense that the current crop of politicians have defined them. IOW, liberal means to embrace change, conservative means to resist change. I'm fer changing some things, agin changing others, as I see fit.

When Winston Churchill said (paraphrased) that we are all liberal at

20 and conservative at 40, he was not using the modern definitions. IMHO, he was saying that youth is for experimentation, but as we get older, we tend to want to preserve (conserve) the good things we found along the way. It's human nature.

As for the politicians' current definitions of the terms, this too shall pass. A hundred+ years ago, the Democratic Party was made up of conservative plantation owners, while the other side was referred to as the "Radical Republicans", who were interested in rapid change. The pols will continue to use whatever definitions that advance their agendas. Nowadays, they even debate what your definition of "is" is

-- not to mention "vote" and "count" and "trust". ;^>

Paul Rad Regards, Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

[Doug Winterburn]

With all due respect for Paully (and I have the utmost respect), todays version seems to be rooted in the definition of equality - whether you see it as concerning equal oportunity or equal outcome.

Practice your finish on scraps or you will practice on your project

-Paully Rad

[Tom Watson]

It really gets me that everyone in the country can operate an ATM -- even those who can't program their VCR's know how to operate an ATM. It would be a simple matter to install ATM-like machines for voting -- at far less than $10K a pop, I should think.

Why the hell are we using punch cards? Didn't Ross Perot make his billions off them? Is he still involved here?

Paul Rad

Regards, Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

[jo4hn]

[snip] There is a group of true experts with lots of experience in providing a truly simple, easy to use and understand user interface for those communicating in a public place to a remote facility. The data involved is more precious than mere votes, but it is all carried out with the complete confidence of the user community. I am, of course, talking about the horse racing betting community. mahalo, jo4hn

[Jim Wilson]

Edwin Pawlowski suggested...

In general, that is not the case. The greater contact area should not increase the total friction because the total downward ("normal") force remains unchanged. Since this constant normal force is now distributed over a larger area, the force per unit area is lower. It can be shown that the increase in friction from the larger contact area is exactly offset by the decrease in friction due to the lower normal force per unit area.

Nonetheless, my own empirical experience does seem to match Paul's. I thought I had a reasonably good grasp of the sciences, and of physics in particular, but I readily admit to being baffled by this phenomenon. Anyone have another explanation? Perhaps it's just psychological???

Jim

[Edwin Pawlowski]

You also have the "vacuum" factor. (I'm sure there is a real term for it but cannot think of it at the moment.) If you take two highly polished pieces of metal, or sheets of glass, they tend to stick to each other. OTOH, you can usually slide them apart even if you can lift one away from the other. Perhaps this is over riding what I think of as friction?

[Greg Millen]

Origins lost, but there is indeed a difference with the "me" generation.:

According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's probably shouldn't have survived. Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. We had no child proof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets, and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.) As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat, as well as sitting on the rear edge of the station wagon and hanging onto the roof. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. Horrors! We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing. We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the street lights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. No cell phones. Unthinkable! We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes, after running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We did not have playstations, nintendo 64, x-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, personal cell phones, personal computers, or internet chat rooms. We had friends! We went outside and found them. We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms, and although we re told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or rang the bell or just walked in and talked to them. Little league had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of.they actually sided with the law. Imagine that! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure! Lure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

[Charlie Self]

.>Origins lost, but there is indeed a difference with the "me" generation.:

I always wonder how my parents' generation, and their parents' generation, made it past 25. Hell, my grandfather (maternal) died in his early 70s--but from a mule kicking him in the head as he got ready for another day's work. I've got an aunt who will be 90 in February, and who is still in good condition, alert and ready to go. My wife's first mother-in-law is pushing 93, IIRC. She's not all that healthy, but she is alert.

Wrong diet, wrong surroundings, raised without electricity or running water, worked their butts off--I can remember one uncle stating (not complaining) that his father didn't really care for kids (he had 13 born live) until they were 8 or and could help on the farm, so the poor little kids had to actually WORK for their self-esteem.

Things change, as someone else said.

Charlie Self "It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office." H. L. Mencken

[Andy Dingley]

"Friction is independent of area"

Regularly voted "least convincing physical law in lab demonstrations". We know the theory, but the practice is such that friction varies considerably depending on surface condition and the overall area involved.

Friction between plane soles and timber is complicated. It does vary, I certainly don't understand why.

[Swingman]

Yessir ... the shirt that I wore to the first day of school was made out of a flower sack, and the collar hung to the end of my shoulders, but my Sears Roebuck "Roy Rogers" sweat shirt, with the picture of Trigger reariing up, made the whole thing "uptown".

... and now my kids can't be clothed without Abercrombie and Fitch, or a trip to the Galleria.

My hat's off to anyone who, immediately after church, had to pick the feathers off the Sunday dinner ... can you imagine a kid having to do that to eat these days?

We were just too damn busy with living to get fat.

[Larry Jaques]

On 12 Nov 2004 09:31:38 GMT, [e-mail] (Charlie Self) calmly ranted:

Excellent discourse, Grogs; good followthrough, Charlie. I believe it was the hard work which saved them all, both physically and mentally, especially self-esteem.

This was gleaned from rec.crafts.metalworking and fits right in:

--snip-- As an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

--snip--

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[Michael Baglio]

snip...

And I used to ride mine helmet-less behind the DDT truck that used to spray every day in the summer to knock down the mosquito population.

Rode in huge white cloulds of the stuff as it spewed out of the back of that truck, because, you see...

I had a _mission._

Rode fast, rode lungs-pumping-to-the-bursting-point hard, 'cause when you're a seven-year-old Navy jet pilot swerving in and out of the clouds so you don't get shot down, that's just what you gotta do.

Damn the helmets _and_ the DDT. Full throttle.

Michael "Ace" Baglio

[Charlie Self]

Larry Jaques responds:

Even as chicken as I've always been, I've come close a time or six. And when I think of the set-up my grandfather had at his sawmill! Jeez, OSHA would have a green-eyed shit fit. Big old open circular blade (no replaceable tips in those days; sharpen with a file), on a belt from a stationary Model A (I think) engine. The only guards in those days were inside banks keeping an eye on the vaults.

Charlie Self "It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office." H. L. Mencken

[Dave Hinz]

What about not being able to get air under the polished surface? Jo blocks stick together rather well, I've always been told this is due to the very smooth surfaces and absence of air (vacuum) between them.

See above, maybe?

[Thomas Bunetta]

Amazing how many miss the point. Tom maker of Fine sawdust and Thin shavings