On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:05:38 -0600, the infamous "Leon" scrawled the following:
After they oversold the Globular sWarming scare, the alarmists found that they got better mileage with "Climate Change". Nobody can dispute that it changes and they can still put their extreme spins on it.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:22:19 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone scrawled the following:
You old fartes with Somesheimers are sooooo cute! (And I meant that in a completely hetero way, lest you take it wrong.)
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:58:34 -0600, the infamous Swingman scrawled the following:
Please expand on that if you will, Swingy. What's the nature of the new waste? I've found that most of the new "green" products (the few which are available around here) are about 50% higher in cost than standard mat'ls, despite the trade mags showing only a 10% increase. And look what it's done to the cost of finishes. Waterlox has doubled in price since I last bought it, and their VOC-free finishes are higher than that: $105 per gallon now!
Oh, you're talking about Democrats, aren't you? ;) I'm all for the reduction of our human footprint, but Crikey, not at the cost of lives. A nasty side-effect of the fracking Green movement is that it retasks money which had previously been available for poverty. The movement is _killing_people_!
Both Bjorn Lomborg and Peter Huber cover some of those details in their books.
It's all that beatch Rachel Carson's fault. Come to think of it, she was the first large-scale clash of the true scientists with the emotional wreck "scientists". She may have pushed the very first Bad Science into mainstream public view, huh?
-- For me, pragmatism is not enough. Nor is that fashionable word "consensus."
To me consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner "I stand for consensus"? --Margaret Thatcher (in a 1981 speech)
LJ sez: It's a good thing we have concensus on the case of Anthropogenic Global Warming (kumbaya), isn't it?
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:28:36 -0500, the infamous Tom Watson scrawled the following:
Just plonk him as the rest of us have, Tawmy. It's good for the soul.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:53:46 -0800, the infamous jo4hn scrawled the following:
There -ARE- no doomsayers on the right, jo4hn. All you Chicken Littles are on the left.
And most of us on the right don't say there is -no- global warming, we're saying that there is no cause for alarm and that man isn't causing it. It's far mellower than you lefties rant about. Earth is still coming out of the last ice age on a very slowly warming trend, not the left's hockey stick.
Go watch _Day After Tomorrow_ again and get your facts straight. ;)
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:03:08 -0800, the infamous "CW" scrawled the following:
Even though the IPCC has had to make severe downward revisions to all of its predicted rises in each and every subsequent report over the years, and even though it is a highly political unit, people hang with bated breath over their newest reports. Go figure.
Update: IPCC still clings to theory that the CRU didn't provide any modified or corrupt data so their 4th report stands as released. Go figure.
Aw, shit. It's 11F (-12C to you Canucks) here this morning and my pipes are frozen for the very first time since I've been in Oregon. Damned AGWK!
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:48:10 -0600, the infamous Chris Friesen scrawled the following:
A gas furnace is 25-40x cleaner than a fireplace or wood stove. Incandescent/fluor lamps put out no CO2 while an oil lamp does. Cars put out more CO2 than horse farts, but we're still ahead.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:47:44 -0500, the infamous "J. Clarke" scrawled the following:
Au contraire, mon ami. I used to do smogs in the Republik of Kalifornia. Emissions tuning was for more CO2 and less NOX. Production of sulfur dioxide was a lovely side-effect of catalytic converters.
Particulates, CO2, and other toxic gases. Fireplaces are filthy, like coal, which is the only emitter of radioactivity in the USA.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:09:51 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett" scrawled the following:
"I don't have enough data." "Well make it available, damnit!"
Good one, Lew. ;) Here are more books. (Got Huber yet?)
_The Skeptical Environmentalist_ by Bjorn Lomborg Or his newer title, _Cool It_, which I haven't read.
_Earth Report 2000_ by Ronald Bailey (ed) and other experts
_Meltdown_ by Patrick J. Michaels Climatologist fed up with the politics of AGWK
_The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ by Christpher C. Horner
_Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity_ by John Stossel (chapter on AGWK)
_Terrestrial Energy_ by William Tucker, 2008 A very good & fairly neutral book!
_Hard Green_ by Peter Huber This is a MUST READ title for everyone, pro or con AGWK.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:25:30 -0600, the infamous "Leon" scrawled the following:
Aw, I didn't want to go macro on the poor little Believers, Leon. Shhh! You'll scare them even more than they already are.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
Project in question was alternative construction (straw bale wall) house, green material as much as possible throughout. Notice the plywood and framing material, steel and concrete going into just the foundation of this single family, new residential construction, of less than 2500sf:
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've found that most of the new "green" products (the few > which are available around here) are about 50% higher in cost than > standard mat'ls, despite the trade mags showing only a 10% increase. > And look what it's done to the cost of finishes. Waterlox has doubled > in price since I last bought it, and their VOC-free finishes are > higher than that: $105 per gallon now!
We were going to use ureas formaldehyde, sustainable, bamboo plywood wood in the cabinets and built-ins until we found out the budget busting prices, upwards of $300/sheet.
Oddly enough, much of Home Depot's plywood (from Columbia Forest Products) is made with urea formaldehyde free glue.
Lowe's has "Fresh Aire", no VOC, paint which we used on the interior of this house ...I was quite happy with the results and the price wasn't all that out of line with other premium indoor paints.
I tried to get other low or no VOC products/stains from them that they advertise in other locales and was informed that they were not allowed to ship these across state lines??
It might be the tilt of the Earth and the fact that the Sun is getting hotter for some strange reason. Snow and ice is vaporizing off other planets as well. Something is up in the Solar System we don't know about yet.
Mart>> >>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:42:39 GMT, the infamous Bob Martin
Last I heard the sun was getting cooler. Then again, big Al apparently hasn't addressed that issue yet, so we have no scientific leadership in that regard.
Or, for something that reads like a novel, STATE OF FEAR by Michael Chrichton (Andromeda Strain, Congo, Eaters of the Dead, Great Train Robbery, Jurassic Park, Lost World, Next, Prey, Rising Sun, Sphere, Terminal Man, Timeline, and others).
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:35:37 GMT, the infamous Bob Martin scrawled the following:
Africa? You're referring to the snows of Kilimanjaro?
Antarctica, Alaska, Norway, the Himalayas, the Alps, Washington state
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million seven hundred and thirty hits. Pay attention this time, and perhaps buy a new Bullshit Detector. You are obviously missing key concepts if you still believe in The Anointed One (O), the Tooth Fairy, Algore, Santa Claus, Anthropogenic Global Warming(kumbaya), etc.
I confine mine concept of global to the Earth as a whole. You don't seem to recognize that the nature of the Earth (Gaia/Mother Nature if you simply must have a fairy name) has decided this, too, that when she takes ice from one spot, she puts it in another, keeping a balance on the globe as a whole. This changes daily, so keep up, eh?
Googlectually Yours, LJ
-- To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen to what the world tells you you ought to prefer, is to have kept your soul alive. -- Robert Louis Stevenson
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:23:34 -0600, the infamous Swingman scrawled the following:
Bloody 'ell! I'm sure glad I swallowed that sip of coffee just before reading your post, Swingy. Bwahahahaha!
Something WeeGee said a couple weeks ago kept eating at me. He said "Al Gore is totally irrelevant." While I wanted to agree with him, I kept thinking "Well, he is to us, but he's still getting far too many world headlines, being awarded (what used to be) prestigious awards, and raking in tons of money for the bullshit he spews, even though he doesn't _live_ the lifestyle he preaches. He should be shunned but he isn't, he's practically -worshiped- globally. It's ghastly."
Prayer for Algore: May your karma rise up to meet you, and soon.
-- To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen to what the world tells you you ought to prefer, is to have kept your soul alive. -- Robert Louis Stevenson
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