On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:13:25 -0800, the infamous jo4hn scrawled the following:
Oh, it will. My computer climate models predict Globular sWarming peaking in July, tapering off somewhat in August and September.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:58:21 GMT, the infamous Bob Martin scrawled the following:
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:59 -0500, the infamous Tom Watson scrawled the following:
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God Bless Joe Bastardi! I love this guy who tells it like it is.
-- Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. -- Thomas J. Watson
Few people will trust the weather service to get a forcast for the next week right but they believe that weather patterns on a globale scale can be predicted with accuracy.
I can't predict when I'm going to die, but the life insurance companies can predict with pretty good accuracy how many people will die this year across the whole country.
Chris
I can't predict when I'm going to die, but the life insurance companies can predict with pretty good accuracy how many people will die this year across the whole country.
Chris
Pretty much it in a nut shell CW!
Amateur! My climate models further predict a precise alternation sequence between darkness and light every 12 hours along the equator.
Brings back memories of HeeHaw. "Forcast for tonight, dark".
I have to admit I got the idea from SNL back in the 70's. We will see continued day light followed by night fall.
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Snottiness? Me? Nope. The warmists? Definitely. Read the frickin' e- mails. They contain some of the most petty and base comments that demonstrate more adherence to orthodoxy than devotion to science. They show a clear and devoted grasp to a pet theory and the determination to make sure that nothing which casts any aspersions on that theory will be granted a hearing in a "peer-reviewed" journal. That's not science.
I do a lot of it myself and miss some events in longer terms. Over two or three days they and I are rather close. A lot of times I win. I don't keep score as it is a non-perfect science and way to complex for a computer to simply determine.
As one example - I had two front lines pass over us today. Then they reversed and split further apart the second one passed over us twice again.
I trust and hope both are now done with the retrograde plays.
I've been doing weather prediction for 35 or 40 years. Longer than most local weather people. I trained under, by watching and listening, Howard Taft out of Ft. Worth and he was IIRC a U.S. Reserve "General" weather officer. He gave insight as to why and how. He was a WW vet and I believe long in passing.
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With the tons (yes tons) of water and rock that falls upon the earth every year the size and mass increases. This alters our orbit.
When the great planets align that tugs on earth and shifts orbit. When they are near the sun it can be in the wrong direction!
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in news:a2ETm.91264$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-01.dc.easynews.com:
Not going to be sucked into this pissing contest but... It was actually Harold Taft.
Larry
Not only, but in 1,100 emails there is not a hint of humor, no sly comments, not even a joke.
One person reported that "... these climate scientists are the most humorless scolds the earth has ever seen. At one seminar a speaker reported that 'The National Association of Homebuilders is a bigger threat to civiliztion than even the NRA.' During the question and answer period I asked: 'I understand how you can feel that way about homebuilders, but what do you have against the NRA?' The humor went right above his head."
On another board I made a comment about "professional do-gooders" and got two responses, one of them running to two pages, about how horrible I was for using such offensive language and trying to politicize the discussion (which was of why a character in a TV series couldn't do simple algebra).
I'm failing to see? ROFL Glaciers are retreating in North America, South America, the Alps, the Himalayas, Africa, Greenland, West Antarctica and New Zealand. Name one glacier that is growing. Your idea of global is different to mine.
How about a BUNCH?
[NEW YORK , May 5 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists say that while the majority of the world's glaciers are retreating as the planet becomes warmer, glaciers south of the equator are growing.The researchers at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory said they discovered glaciers in South America and New Zealand are inching forward, pointing to strong regional variations in climate.]
Even that article says "U.S. scientists say that while the majority of the world's glaciers are retreating as the planet becomes warmer ..." thus contradicting Larry, but
I sympathize with the fact that he was wrong on Rita.
I was wrong once.
What a day.
From Joe Bastardi's Weather Blog 12/9/09
You gotta love these guys. Warmest decade on record? The warmest you have ever measured with the way you measured it. perhaps.
But it doesnt hide the fact that since the peak in 1998, the earth has cooled a bit, when the models said it would be warming. The satellite data is only a 30 year old addition to this. Thermometers world wide are biased warm since they are mainly in URBAN SETTINGS There are many more close to a place that would have them read warmer than outlying areas. In addition, getting rid of 2/3 of the thermometers in russia, mostly in outlying areas, is going to have a bit effect on temps.. Besides,just how were you measuring temps in previous warm periods. Just how are you calibrating thermometers. Just what are you throwing out and keeping in.
Look, this global warming situation is not much different than what led to the banking crisis here in this country, or if I really want to get both sides of the political sides mad, what happened in Iraq, no matter how you feel. People are playing with info to suit their needs. My only need here is to be right, because if I am, who are you going to trust in 10 years, or if my son does this, 40 years, someone who was in search of the right answer in this to get the overall forecast right, or people who have a vested interest in making sure that they are not questioned. My point is my search allows for the room to be wrong.. their search has no room, for if they are wrong, they are discredited to a point where no one will listen again to a thing they say.
You know its funny, these people talk of future generations and how they want to save them. By doing what, limiting them first? And over what. One says co2 pollutes the air. CO2 IS PART OF THE AIR. Its not something foreign to it. Its like saying water vapor, the number one greenhouse gas, pollutes the air.
And by the way, just what is the "normal" temp of the earth. Will one of these geniuses tell us that. What is the best temp to sustain life on the planet in the most optimum way. I will tell you this. If it does get 1 degree colder like I am forecasting by 2030, there will be alot more unhappy people about that than if its warmer.
But the point is, what did you expect. These people arent dumb..they know that its a matter of time before the average person wakes up ( they already are) and right or wrong swings the other way. They know how much cold is coming the next 3 weeks into major population centers of the northern hemisphere, though a couple of months ago they had no idea ( since we had cold winters forecasted from July, we certainly had some idea) And they know the same kind of any way the wind blows mentality will take over if it does get cold. So they better darn well make sure no matter how cold you are getting, you think its getting warmer.
Look here is what I am asking, exactly opposite of what comes out of Al Gore and the rest. Dont believe me, go look for yourself. People are getting so used to having things handed to them, including now "science" they wont fend for themselves. That makes you a puppet. Why when you were blessed with a life, would you simply become that? So I dont want you to believe me, but go back and study this. spend 30 minutes a week. The information is out there. I would look at sites such as ICECAP and get my hands on the book Climate Change Reconsidered. Its not like weapons of mass destruction where only a few people saw what was there, or the banking crisis. This is something that average person can do.
If you want this to be about the science, then let it be about the science. Go look back through all the data, and understand that you cant measure at the time of Rome, or the Vikings or the Great Depression the way you measure things now. And the fact that the people measuring it would be discredited and CAN NOT TURN BACK no matter what from the ones with the scientific reputations on the lines, to the ones that are trying to jam a forced solution down the throat of the world, should speak volumes as to who the people after the right answer are.
Al Gore, who doesnt have the guts to debate anyone on this issue, a man who may soon be a carbon billionaire, claiming people who are fighting him are in the pockets of polluters. You do the math. Regards,
Tom Watson
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