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Being able to look at the world through my own eyes and interpret what I am seeing rather than being told what I am seeing.
I do not dispute that some places are getting warmer, at least for this period of time but there are other places that are getting colder. Take the South Pole for instance, its ice has been growing for years.
I totally believe that those that believe in global warming "trend", don't have enough data to make a proper assessment.
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Leon wrote:

What parts are getting warmer? The average temperature has been steadily declining since 1996. And even if it IS getting warmer, it's no where near what it was during the Medieval Warm Period (a time of great prosperity).
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Might I suggest you get your facts from NASA rather than from Fox News or your childrens' comics? The 10 warmest years on record have all occurred in the last 12 years. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
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Bob Martin wrote:

Sorry, but GISS had to redo their calculations:
http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/08/08/climate-network-re-ranks-warmest-years /
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/08/08/climate-network-re-ranks-warmest-years/ Is there anything official from GISS publishing corrections to their 2008 report?
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Swingman wrote:

Yes:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt
As referenced from here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revised_temp_data_reduces_glob.html
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revised_temp_data_reduces_glob.html

publishing corrections to their 2008 report? Hopefully that translates the data numbers given into informational context? And that does not involve a right (or left) wing blog?     criminy,     jo4hn
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Beware the Yahoos, Googlectuals, WikiPaederasts and Bloglodytes.
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The following is by Joe Bastardi, senior meteorologist for Accu-Weather. It is presented for your edification.
MONDAY 6:30 AM.. A DELIGHTFUL DAY IN NYC AND COPENHAGEN SATURDAY... IF YOU ARE A POLAR BEAR
The upcoming climate conference in Copenhagen will be attended by many who for some reason, seem to believe they can control the planet's temperature. Actually, this isn't about control of the planet's temperature, but control of the planet's people, since that is much easier to do if you can hoodwink them into believing they are being controlled for a good reason.
Folks, it's the only logical conclusion. Why? Because while I will acknowledge I am not 100% sure we humans have nothing to do with it, there is no way any man alive can be 100% positive we are. And to force feed ideas down another man's throat is simply trying to enslave them to your ideas. It's that simple, given the evidence, which can certainly fight any warming argument to a draw.
In any case, another example of a power greater than Al Gore is showing up, and whether you believe it's simply nature, or whoever created nature, it should not be lost on people that maybe someone is trying to give this now immensely rich carbon crusader a hint, that he should cash in his chips and leave the climate casino happy that he made this much. Saturday will be cold day across the United States after a brutal winter storm that will lead to a blizzard on the Plains into the Great Lakes, an interior Northeast snow and ice storm, a lake-effect outbreak that may be one of the nastiest in years, and a pattern that is threatening to wreck many a holiday travel plan in the longer term. And that is in the States. Meanwhile, back at the climate debacle ranch where I was expecting that at least the attendees would get there by horse and buggy, or fly coach (see headline below) northeast winds and a big Scandinavian high should at least keep Copenhagen chilly, if not snowy.
By the way, the "trick" in the Climategate scandal that is being referred to is not getting rid of something minor like the last 10 years of cooling. IT WAS TO GET RID OF 350 YEARS OF WARMING FROM 1000-1350. I have already told you that this is simply because it got so warm... the real cooling is getting ready to start, probably after this El Nino, but more so in the middle of the next decade. Perish the thought, but by 2015, the Earth's temps may be "normal" whatever that mythical value is, and the melting icecaps, will be looked at as Peggy Lee "is that all there is" meltdown. If this is all we can get, http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend . jpg
it won't take much to have us well above normal in 10-15 years.
But on they go, these new Gods of our ages, with the wisdom of their models which have plainly been busting and a generation of people who believe they are "liberal" (what a joke... since when does a liberal-minded person simply follow along like a sheep... another case of a misnomer to describe a group... look at one of the definitions: Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals...) If there was truly liberal thought here, people would be looking at all the facts, not simply following along.
I still think that this whole Climategate fiasco will lead to an open debate where men and women of good will can see this is not an open-and-shut case, and they are being lead like sheep to the slaughter. Problem is some of wolves don't want any part of it.
If these people meeting in Copenhagen really want to show us their virtue, do not use any power at all while at the conference. That's right... no heat, no electricity, none of the fruits of true progressive and enlightened thinking. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is. Fat chance with the arrogance of imagined authority you display.
I want you to think about this. James Hansen may be arguably America's greatest astronomer, but he is no expert on climate or weather. Sorry, the facts are there. I don't think he understands what the weather was like in this country in the 1930s-50s, nor does he understand that the Earth's climate is constantly changing; there is no perfect climate. That being said, I can't see how people will not question him on the climate issue, where he came aboard as a concerned observer, with best of intentions.. when he and his agency is missing what may be the greatest astronomical event of our lifetimes, the falling asleep of the Sun. It is now two years behind NASA's idea that this sunspot cycle would come alive in 2007 and right in line with what Soviet scientists back in the early 1990s were saying, the same people who opined we could return to a little ice age around 2030. How is it that the people who are actually right are shouted down, while people who are not are allowed to jam their ideas down everyone's throat? That is what this Climategate is about... the FREEDOM to debate and the scary thought that yet another utopian idea-based movement is out to take over the world. It's not done with guns, but with a more subtle approach. SORRY, BUT THAT CONCLUSION IS JUST VALID AS "THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED" idea. A degree or two up or down is not going to kill the planet, and think about it, would you rather it colder or warmer.
In any case, a word of advice to NASA, which seems to have some linkage to all this:
Physician, heal thyself.
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Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 /
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Tom Watson wrote:

I like old Joe ... even after he said that Rita would come roaring down the "Texas 59 Corridor" and basically "wipe out Houston" just hours before it hit, well to the East, and leaving an evacuated Houston high and dry, but many evacuee's in misery and/or dead.
(Being a skeptic, I watched it from my porch with a bottle of Pinot noir, and had to water the grass the next day to keep it from dying)
Ahhh well, the fortunes of weather and climate modeling, win a few, lose a few ...
BTW, I routinely watch Joe, on your favorite cable news channel, for all hurricane build ups in the Gulf. <g,d &r!>
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You know he's an Aggies fan, right?
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Tom Watson wrote:

Probably the cause his apparently built in skepticism ...
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I sympathize with the fact that he was wrong on Rita.
I was wrong once.
What a day.
From Joe Bastardi's Weather Blog 12/9/09
You gotta love these guys. Warmest decade on record? The warmest you have ever measured with the way you measured it. perhaps.
But it doesnt hide the fact that since the peak in 1998, the earth has cooled a bit, when the models said it would be warming. The satellite data is only a 30 year old addition to this. Thermometers world wide are biased warm since they are mainly in URBAN SETTINGS There are many more close to a place that would have them read warmer than outlying areas. In addition, getting rid of 2/3 of the thermometers in russia, mostly in outlying areas, is going to have a bit effect on temps.. Besides,just how were you measuring temps in previous warm periods. Just how are you calibrating thermometers. Just what are you throwing out and keeping in.
Look, this global warming situation is not much different than what led to the banking crisis here in this country, or if I really want to get both sides of the political sides mad, what happened in Iraq, no matter how you feel. People are playing with info to suit their needs. My only need here is to be right, because if I am, who are you going to trust in 10 years, or if my son does this, 40 years, someone who was in search of the right answer in this to get the overall forecast right, or people who have a vested interest in making sure that they are not questioned. My point is my search allows for the room to be wrong.. their search has no room, for if they are wrong, they are discredited to a point where no one will listen again to a thing they say.
You know its funny, these people talk of future generations and how they want to save them. By doing what, limiting them first? And over what. One says co2 pollutes the air. CO2 IS PART OF THE AIR. Its not something foreign to it. Its like saying water vapor, the number one greenhouse gas, pollutes the air.
And by the way, just what is the "normal" temp of the earth. Will one of these geniuses tell us that. What is the best temp to sustain life on the planet in the most optimum way. I will tell you this. If it does get 1 degree colder like I am forecasting by 2030, there will be alot more unhappy people about that than if its warmer.
But the point is, what did you expect. These people arent dumb..they know that its a matter of time before the average person wakes up ( they already are) and right or wrong swings the other way. They know how much cold is coming the next 3 weeks into major population centers of the northern hemisphere, though a couple of months ago they had no idea ( since we had cold winters forecasted from July, we certainly had some idea) And they know the same kind of any way the wind blows mentality will take over if it does get cold. So they better darn well make sure no matter how cold you are getting, you think its getting warmer.
Look here is what I am asking, exactly opposite of what comes out of Al Gore and the rest. Dont believe me, go look for yourself. People are getting so used to having things handed to them, including now "science" they wont fend for themselves. That makes you a puppet. Why when you were blessed with a life, would you simply become that? So I dont want you to believe me, but go back and study this. spend 30 minutes a week. The information is out there. I would look at sites such as ICECAP and get my hands on the book Climate Change Reconsidered. Its not like weapons of mass destruction where only a few people saw what was there, or the banking crisis. This is something that average person can do.
If you want this to be about the science, then let it be about the science. Go look back through all the data, and understand that you cant measure at the time of Rome, or the Vikings or the Great Depression the way you measure things now. And the fact that the people measuring it would be discredited and CAN NOT TURN BACK no matter what from the ones with the scientific reputations on the lines, to the ones that are trying to jam a forced solution down the throat of the world, should speak volumes as to who the people after the right answer are.
Al Gore, who doesnt have the guts to debate anyone on this issue, a man who may soon be a carbon billionaire, claiming people who are fighting him are in the pockets of polluters. You do the math. Regards,
Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 /
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:59 -0500, the infamous Tom Watson

God Bless Joe Bastardi! I love this guy who tells it like it is.
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jo4hn wrote:

If you look at the GISS temperature numbers, you'll find they exactly agree with the informational content of the blog. I can't find anything on the GISS site that acknowledges their booboo except the corrected temperature table.
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jo4hn wrote:

Here is the GISS ranking I was looking for which does not involve a right or left wing blog:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Top10.warmest.doc
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Swingman wrote:

vielen Dank.
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jo4hn wrote:

Bitte schn ...
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And the coldest years on record have been during recent times also.
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Bob Martin wrote:

You really should keep up. First, NASA recognized the mistake and corrected their findings. Second, I'd be skeptical of taking my news from a player in the Climategate fraud. Here's one opinion piece in the Denver Post. http://neighbors.denverpost.com/blog.php/2009/11/30/nasa-climategate-cover-up /
Here's one basic flaw: http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher+Basic+Greenhouse+Equations+Totally+Wrong/article10973.htm
Another is the use of ZERO in an Excel spreadsheet to represent the absence of a reading but nevertheless used to compute an average.
I don't take my news from Fox or children's books. Neither do I take if from acolytes of a new religion.
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