Did you get the foam underlay at Rona as well? If so, can you remember the
Our local Rona is a little on the dim side when it comes to anything that is
not the norm, so when you ask about underlay for laminate floors all they
preent you with is the thin white foam (2mm maybe 3mm at best).
No, George, I actually got the underlay at End of the Roll
(www.endoftheroll.com, two Quebec locations). Much better quality for about
the same cost ... I know exactly the stuff Rona's trying to sell you. The
stuff I used is very dense, moreso even than a carpet underlay.
on 3/7/2005 1:47 PM Duane Bozarth said the following:
If I'm not mistaken, all of those laminate floors, Pergo, etc. are meant
to be floating. You must maintain a gap between the flooring and walls,
cabinets, etc which are then bridged with shoe base and quarter-round.
Getting ready to do a kitchen and I'm somewhat concerned as to whether
or not to run it in all the way underneath the refrigerator and the
stove/oven or just far enough to conceal the rough edge. Probably not a
problem and I'm leaning to just installing it all the way beneath the
appliances. I can't imagine there being enough seasonal movement with
the laminate (will be using Pergo) to be a problem so long as the
stuff's not butted up against the cabinet bases and/or wall plates.
problem, and I went "wall to wall" with appliances on top ... looks as good
today as when I laid it, and as you say, leave a bit of space at the walls
that you can cover with trim.
If it can withstand a passel of kids and the stringent and harsh cleaning
necessities that entails as well as rolling appliances across it regularly
(fridge out for cleaning, portable dishwasher as the kitchen reno featuring
a built in is at least a year away ... ), you should be ok.
If one has a good farm supply, one can usually find livestock floor pads
at much less than equivalent shop padding costs. A few of those in
judicious locations can make a big difference.
I'm in the same boat wrt to knees/back, etc., so it makes a big
difference on both fronts--cushioning and not so blamed cold (directly
on the feets, anyway)...
Like any flooring, most if it goes unnoticed and or unused. Why have
expensive flooring under and behind heavy equipment. I suggest Rockport
hiking shoes. That is what I use and have spent years working on concrete
and nothing gets tired or sore anymore because of the floor. Alternatively
you can put down good quality anti-fatigue mats in areas that you do a lot
of standing. These can be easily moved when you rearrange the shop again.
My suggestion is good shoes and anti-fatigue mats as well. I bought my
mats from Costco and they are quite economical. All my mats are
36"x36" and I have them running in front of all my tools in a
continuous run. All in I probably have about 25 mats. At a cost of
about $15 per mat, it's not hard on the wallet. As well, if you intend
to use your shop for it's original purpose at all, like for cars, then
these mats are very convenient.
well there might be a question of quality... but we just picked up a
pack of mats at sam's club for ~15. they are two sided, black on one,
colored on the other and interlock like a puzzle. It was sold as a
"multi purpose mat" IIRC. (showed kids on the colorful side and a guy
working on the black side.)
Each unit mat is ~2x2 and there were 8 total... so ~$2 a mat, or
$0.50/ft^2 after taxes.
We picked it up for the wife's DDR (dance dance revolution) floor-mat
which doesn't have any padding of it's own, but now that i think about
it, i might pick up a couple packs for the shop. ;)
Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
I find that there are about four spots in my shop where I stand at least
80% of the time. (in front of the bench, in front of the lathe, in front
of the table saw, and behind the table saw (I use the outfeed table as
an assembly and finishing area)). A good quality anti-fatigue mat big
enough to catch most dropped tools (about 3ft x 5ft) in each of these
spots solved my concrete floor pains with minimal investment. I can drag
one where I need it as projects demand, as well. I got the "super-soft
corrugated top 5/8" thick sponge vinyl" mats from McMaster and they have
held up for 10 years of use so far. You can order any size by the foot
There was a review of various mats etc... in a recent Fine Woodworking IIRC.
I do remember
that it was pretty pricey for even a small shop. I'm really liking the
laminated floor idea. Not to mention
the Jones' factor. Can you imagine telling your neighbor that you put down
the same laminate they used in their
house, in your garage (in my case unfortunately)? Good shoes are really a
neccesity in my book whether cushioned
floor or not.
Even at a buck a square foot laminate flooring is not inexpensive. Do the
math, a 20 foot x 20 foot room will run $400. 5-6 fatigue at mats at work
areas will run much less than that. Then if your shop is also a garage the
flooring is pretty much out of the question.
I have tried those 1/2" or so mats from the likes of Sam's Club etc... and
actually found them
to be a bit too cushiony for my tastes and I couldn't get good leverage on
them for tasks like
hand planing etc... Looking at the mats that FWW reviewed, prices
ranged from $1.10/SF to $4.29/SF so comparing to these alternatives, the
be cheaper. I haven't priced out those horse mat type things but I do
remember my local
Woodcraft had them on sale a while back and the cost to do a portion of the
better than $200 (price to do the laminate). I figure 1/2 the garage is
just woodworking and
there are no vehicles there (well a Harley but that's ok) so no worries
about putting a car on it.
Ultimately, if I could afford it, I'd have a dedicated shop and build a
raised floor with planks but
that's the "dream" so to speak....
The local farmers' supply has 4x6 (perforated or solid, your choice) at
$28/ea, w/ volume discount as much as 25% depending on number. I like
the holes for the shop as it lets chips, etc., fall in. Only
disadvantage is they're fairly heavy so if join a bunch together it's
somewhat of a pita to clean up completely. I keep most separate so
simply lay one at a time back and sweep up (on the rare occasion I get
that anal about it)...OTOH, a hose w/ floor sweep attachment on the DC
makes pretty quick work of the bulk of it so there's not a real need
unless one is fanatical. If the shop were in the house/basement sort of
thing it might be a different story...
Anyway, they're relatively cheap, almost indestructable, heavy enough to
not move, have good traction and yet "cushiony-enough" to make a really
noticeable difference plus help a lot on the cold-feeling slab in an
It's a mixed blessing...overall, I like the hole so I don't step on
small cutoffs, etc., that gives an uneven footing and will put up w/ the
cleanup hassle for that. They can be had in either form, however.
For resilience, I'm not sure which specific issue you're wanting to know
about...they're dense but flexible and have sufficient cushion to
relieve the foot-weariness yet don't feel spongy as some of the lighter
ones do. They are a really tough for withstanding cuts, etc., as they
will stand up to cattle/horse traffic for quite some time.
Rockler and Woodcraft sell some pretty nice anti-fatigue mats in various
sizes. It's certainly less expensive to put several small mats where they're
needed, than to try to cover the entire floor. I have four mats in two
different sizes. One large one stays next to the workbench most of the time,
one large one stays in front of the table saw most of the time, one small one
gets kicked around to wherever it's needed, and one small one *never* moves
from in front of the lathe.
Good shoes with arch supports are a must, even with the mats. Rockport makes
several that are suitable. I've also found combat boots to be surprisingly
comfortable. Your foot comfort will also be considerably enhanced with good
heavy socks made of natural materials; I'm partial to wool myself, but cotton
works well too. The synthetics just don't allow your skin to breathe.
We've kicked this topic around a few times before, too. A Google search on
this newsgroup will turn up hundreds of opinions.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
Actually, Doug, as ex military myself, and as I mentioned, my partner runs a
daycare and one of our families is current military, good, properly broken
in combat boots make excellent and extremely comfortable and safe shop
footwear. Our daycare dad has arthritis, and the Canadian military provides
him with custom boots from a company called BioPed ... my slippers should be
so comfortable and supportive.
I also agree about the natural fiber socks, although I prefer cotton to wool
... or silk to wool. Wool is too hot for my taste.
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