Re: On Design and Plans


This'll probably be a bit long, and ramble. You're welcome to pass it by.
A lot of you guys use, or want to use, various CAD programs.

And, for the Gods' sakes, if you can't snip, don't reply to this.
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I'm an AutoCAD pro and an amateur wood worker. I have AutoCAD 2005 (legal) and I use it to plan my projects on.
I'm trained in 3D and use it professionally. I don't see much use for it for plans. I have no problems visualizing a project.
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J T wrote:

I tend to draw some sketches and write a couple measurements for overall size then make up the rest as I go.

Same here, someone else's plan is mostly a reference.

air rifles.
Interesting, one of my future projects will be a gun case of an old black powder rifle that was passed down to me from my grandfather. Have a real cow horn powder horn and all. I thought about making the long sides hold the ends and the cradle parts inside hold the long sides together which in turn hold the ends, etc. I like the rope hinge idea too, why not make the latch out of rope also, just attach to the lid and feed through a hole in the side for the handle so when you pick it up it holds closed.
What kind of wood, I haven't decided what would be light weight enough, the rifle I want to carry is heavy enough already
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snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net (J T) wrote in

I've been known to grab a writing utensil and start drawing a time or two. I usually use CAD for the things that I need to show others or for calculations I'm unwilling (and unable) to do on paper.
In high-school, I usually drew some sort of plan before I started building then had 3 days to two weeks left over to sand. Yep, the sander and I knew each other by first name. ;-)
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Tue, Dec 6, 2005, 3:15am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Puckdropper) did say: I've been known to grab a writing utensil and start drawing a time or two. I usually use CAD for the things that I need to show others or for calculations I'm unwilling (and unable) to do on paper.

In high-school, I usually drew some sort of plan before I started building then had 3 days to two weeks left over to sand. Yep, the sander and I knew each other by first name. ;-)
In high school we learned drafting in shop class, and were required to draw plans of our projects. The theory behind this was to teach us to work from plans. I think that was a very good idea, and worked well. But, I've gone beyond that.
I lost the tip of one finger to our large disc sander. Nowadays that would be grounds for a huge injury claim. Back then, the shop teacher put a bandage on it, my folks made no big deal about it, and life went on. I don't think the shop teacher even told me to be careful next time, probably figured I shouldn't need to be told - and I didn't, that's the worst shop injury I've ever had, and I'll be 65 soon - lesson learned. It was a, "that was a stupid thing to do, don't do it again", attitufde, all around, not much sympahy involved. Be nice to have days like that again, stupidity should never rewarded.
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:25:48 -0500, J T wrote: -- snip --

There are some pretty interesting decorative marlinespike (rope work) pages out there. Some good box or sea chest handles. Looks like an interesting skill to learn. I've also seen marlinespike latches, but don't remember what site it was on.
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Mon, Dec 5, 2005, 8:34pm (EST-2) snipped-for-privacy@comcastdot.net (dgadams) did say: There are some pretty interesting decorative marlinespike (rope work) pages out there. Some good box or sea chest handles. Looks like an interesting skill to learn. I've also seen marlinespike latches, but don't remember what site it was on.
I've seen a few of those site, but didn't see any handles I cared for. Don't recasll any marlinspike latches tho. Crap, looks like google time again.
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Mon, Dec 5, 2005, 8:34pm (EST-2) snipped-for-privacy@comcastdot.net (dgadams) did speak thusly: There are some pretty interesting decorative marlinespike (rope work) pages out there. Some good box or sea chest handles. Looks like an interesting skill to learn. I've also seen marlinespike latches, but don't remember what site it was on.
Yes, some of the handles look good, but I don't think they'd be well suited to my case. One on each end yes, but not one on top for carrying.
I've been googling so much for something on marlinspike latches that I've had to quit for awhile to let it cool off. And, nothing on marlinspike latches at all. Can you point me to one or two, so I can get a general idea of what they look like?
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:04:43 -0500, J T wrote:

Alas, no. I can't remember where I saw them. I took an interest in marlinespike (or marlinspike) last summer while in Maui. We went to a whaling museum and I saw some examples. That may be where I saw the latches. Seems to me it was two loops of rope (very decorative) at right angles. One fitted into the other, and then a wooden "U" was used to secure the whole thing. Sorry.
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Tue, Dec 6, 2005, 6:19pm (EST-2) did speak out: <snip> Seems to me it was two loops of rope (very decorative) at right angles. One fitted into the other, and then a wooden "U" was used to secure the whole thing. Sorry.
Ah, then that wouldn't work for me, I don't want any loose parts - just something to lose.
However, it did give me an idea for a latch backup. Could use a loop of rope off the top, and looped around the handle - then if both latches broke, that would keep the top closed. Alternatively, a loop or two off the top, and over a small hook(s), which would also keep the top closed, in case of latch failure.
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Ha, U of PS delievered the .22 today. It's called a Benjamin/Sheridan, but is actually made by Crosman. Almost a clone of my Sheridan tho, so I'm happy. It looks goooood. It's remanufactured, so only ran me $75, instead of well over $100. No prob, I'm happy.
I've also got one of the el cheapo Chinese air rifles I bought at one of the Cummins tool sales. Their site lists it at about $20. Worth it at twice the price. Shoots a .177 pellet at about 900 FPS, which is faster than some .22 rifle target ammo. I shot a 55 gallon steel drum with it, and it didn't just flatten the pellet. It actually dented the barrel, and the pellet flattened n the pocket, and remained. Would have had to pry it out. Definitely not to be used carelessly. I found out a few days ago a .22 version is made, that is rated at .850 FPS - I want one, and will get one. Only problem is, the model I have has a Monte Carlo style stock, with the rear sight at the rear of the action. I have found similar, but the rear sight is mounted at the "front" of the action, these go for around $25. I want one same style as my present one, and I know they make them, just have to hunt one down. I may have to eventually settle for one with 4X scope, for around $30. Life is hard. Then I'll have to make a carry/storage case for them also.
I've also got a Crosman pump single shot .177 pistol. But, there are also Benjamin/Sheridan pump pistols in .20 and .22, for just over $100 each. Now, it looks like I'll have to start saving my pennies for one each of those, so I'll have another set of three. Life is hard. PayPal is accepted for donations.
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snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net (J T) wrote:

What kind of critter do you suppose they used for the 'fur'?
Nice simple and functional design.
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Tue, Dec 6, 2005, 8:28am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net (LobbyDosser) What kind of critter do you suppose they used for the 'fur'? Nice simple and functional design.
Probably "beaver". Yep, I like the design for those reasons.
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Mon, Dec 5, 2005, 7:48pm snipped-for-privacy@spam.com (EugeneNine) did say: I tend to draw some sketches and write a couple measurements for overall size then make up the rest as I go.

in my mind, before I even start. You understand the concept well enough.
Same here, someone else's plan is mostly a reference.

been exactly what I was after.
Interesting, one of my future projects will be a gun case of an old black powder rifle <snip>

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1-special-crate.shtml
http://www.lrml.org/collecting/turner/images/ttmm001-a.jpg
I like the rope hinge idea too,

of anything else for that matter. I suppose that might work, I'll have to google a bit.
why not make the latch out of rope also, just attach to the lid and feed through a hole in the side for the handle so when you pick it up it holds closed.

all time. Doesn't need to be a security latch, just keep it from opening on its own.
What kind of wood, <snip>

traditional. However, I doub you're going to be carrying it around a lot, so if you want it fancy, I'd say walnut, cherry, etc. Otherwise, pine, poplar, plywood, cedar, whatever.
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Tue, Dec 6, 2005, 12:48am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net (LowellHolmes) did say: <snip>You do it your way and I'll do it my way. :-)
As long as we're both having fun.
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