House across the road. With no warning, previous occupants who have lived
there as long as we've lived here (16 years then) upped and moved
overnight last November. We got a notice of application to build a 2
storey extension on the side a few days later
Since then, there have been on average not less than 4 guys "working" on
the house doing goodness knows what. They've had 12 skips, countless
deliveries of bricks and blocks (fuck knows where they've gone) and all
to show for it is a rebuilt porch (single storey) and new glazing.
Finally last week it looked like people were viewing/moving in.
Yesterday they cleared a lot of rubble from the front garden, and today
are whacking the ground down - presumably to pour a lot of premix
concrete onto to make a driveway.
hardcore - you must be joking.
depth - 1-2".
I remember seeing someone lay tarmac over soil where, I’m pretty sure,
there had been a lawn of sorts. Not long later you could have mown the
The next step was this ‘imprinted’ concrete which looks like paving.
Within a year or so, it needed mowing as well.
At the time (about 25 years back) we were considering replacing our drive
in a previous house. Until I saw the imprinted concrete here, it had been
one of the options. We went for block paving.
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This happened to friend of mine: a Doctor of Philosophy; a professor at
Cambridge University. He got stung twice: once by the Boys from the
Blackstuff and once by his wife, also an academic from Cambridge but
with her feet firmly on the ground. When she came home that evening she
was absolutely livid!
My dad was caught out with it. We had a concrete drive with rounded pebbles
embedded in the concrete. It was a bloody awful surface, both for riding my
pedal car and bicycle over, and for my parents driving their cars over. And
the inevitable "leftover tarmac" guys came round and offered to resurface
it. My dad, who normally has his head screwed on, fell for it. The drive
looked good for a few days and then the tarmac started to come up in
patches, exposing the underlying pebbles and concrete. He never did catch up
with the culprits, though Trading Standards said they'd had several other
reports from people in the area who'd also made complaints about the same
guys. This was in the late 60s.
This is the thing about scams - it is easy to read descriptions
and think "Hah! I'd never fall for *that*"; but you never know
when some scammer whose M.O. matches your weaknesses will happen
by, just when you are a bit distracted ...
You do have to also watch those who are not out and out scammers but fancy
themselves as odd job men and graduate upward with no knowledge at all.
Luckily I only got them to paint Creosote on my front fence. They painted
over the embossed reflective numbers, even though they could easily have
removed the screws and replaced them. There was creosote on the hedge on the
pavement spots of it on the gate, which was freshly painted white. I noted
at the time they offered driveways, I feel anyone taking them up on that
might have some slight issues of quality of work.
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Mate of mine had the imprinted concrete and it never had
anything coming through it. Her husband was a builder.
Most of ours are concrete, mostly not imprinted and
I have never seen any with grass growing through them.
We don’t have many tarmac driveways.
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:41:31 +1000, jeikppkywk wrote:
Another house across the road (2 doors along) had theirs done 2 years ago
after a new owner. A load of proper motorway maintenance vehicles turned
up and dug, put hardcore and at least a foot of tarmac down before
rolling it with a steam roller. It must have cost tens of thousands and
in no way matched the status of the house. SWMBO and I agree there's
something "odd" about it. No one seems to live there, but ice-cream vans
are stored in the garage the new owner built, and there's a stream of
people turning up daily - as if to work.
I reckon it's a drug dealers den (with ice cream vans being a front ...).
But heigh ho, doesn't cause us any problems ....
Just watching a new housing subdivision being done here, what you lot call
Interesting to see the detail of how the roads are done. Hasn’t got the
on yet, just the hardcore and the concrete gutters so far. The hardcore is
deep, likely a foot or so. The tarmac wont be, you can see where the top of
the tarmac must end up because of the concrete gutters there already.
Ours apparaently use the fast food delivery operations/pizza delivery.
The geology of this part of sussex is greensand. Actually there is a
layer of red sand all over (and quarries extracting it).
When a trench was dug in the A road going through the village, there
was less than a foot of tarmac and hardcore and then a metre thick
layer of red sand on top of clay.
I would be surprised if a foot of tarmac is a good idea.
Much of the strength/support of a road / drive etc comes from the lower
levels. Typically, compacted, graded, stones ( sometimes called hardcore
but actually far more closely packed that hardcore). Then a layer of coarse
tarmac- with larger stones- then a top coat. That is a proper job, not your
‘Left over from another job, cash in hand, cheapie.’
If you actually resesarch the history of roads, its clear that muddy
tracks had gravel and stones thrwown in, and got less muddy: then they
discovered that lots of gravel; or limestone made an even better
surface, esepceailly with finer particels (cerated from crushing the
limestone or adding smaller grades of shingle ) which compacted and held
everything together and indeed drained well.
This is pretty much what overseas is called a 'dirt road' garded rock
and sand that can ve esily regraded if it gets flooded or potholed
The problem is that it is prone to both and to dust.
Mr MacAdam decided to statbilise the top layer with tar so it didnt
create dust and it didnt wash away or pothole
Unfortunetaley that made it impervious meaning te road need to be
crowned and to have drainage at the side of it. But the tar layer is
never more than an inch or two on a new road. Subsequent additions of a
new skin may of course increase that.
My personal excpereibce is that round 2-4" of crunch'n' go MOT type 1`
limestone is enough for the occasional 30 tonner and more than enough
for a car.
Why goes on top is decoration. I piut this on my verge where people used
the drive entrance as a layby and its taken all te trucks and has grass
growing on top.
Elsewhere it has 1-2" of gravel.
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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
There is a very big variation in how dirt roads are done.
At the low cost end, basically a road grader is run over the dirt
and nothing is added at all. At the other end, lots of stuff is
added and that is what is put in place by the road grader.
And with the roads that have nothing added, immense
ruts that are nothing even remotely like potholes.
I am currently driving past a new-build section of road every day.
Over the past few months they have levelled it, laid and compacted a
deep layer of stones and sand (by the looks of it), put in drainage and
kerbs. Last week they started tarmaccing it. The first layer looks to be
4 to 5", the top layer is going on now and looks to be another 4" at least.
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