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The pool cue just broke again. It's done it twice already, and I've repaired it with Titebond II. It broke once near the tip collar, once splitting down about 2 inches, and now it's broken near the tip collar again. There's no glue on the wood fibers, so it looks like the glue joint held.
I'm about to fix it a third time, but since it's breaking in the same place should I be looking at a different fix next time? I'd probably drill the center out and replace it with a dowel, but I'm open to suggestions.
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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message

Fix it as best you can, and retire it to the rack. I have some CueTec fiberglass cues I like that are bulletproof, although I did have to replace the tips that popped off with elk hide. Made a drill/lathe to turn them to finish off the oversized tips.
Then I found a couple of outstanding cues at yard sales, one from the forties or fifties that looks as good as a Palmer, for $1. The other is a bit gaudy, with its dark inlays, but is light and shoots good. Then I found my wife's old Brunswick in the attic that she bought new in the sixties for $32. Fat handle, I like it. Got good punch.
Once that wood splits, the repeated blows just keep working on the fracture until it pops again. I had one that I tried to fix, and finally gave up.
Isn't it time to get a Tad, Palmer, Mizuni, McDermott, or Szamboti?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Barry-Szamboti-Custom-Pool-Cue-w-Many-Extras-see-below-/260651764642?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
You deserve it. ;-)
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You guys are good at spending my money. ;-)
I borrowed my sister's cue last night, and it's got a nice tip on it. It seemed to cushion the shot a little bit, so the cue ball didn't feel like it was shooting off.
If I keep going, I might wind up with a particle board tip... Half glue, half wood stuffs. :-)
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I like elk hide. Tricky to get on, to trim, and to get to stick, but that's part of the game.
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If the is cue is something special, you might try turning down the tip and using a metal ferrule (copper pipe? or other) where this one is splitting. Install with epoxy to take up any gaps.
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DanG wrote:

<<< Gasp!!! >>>
IMO, If it's really good 2-piece cue, I suggest you buy a new shaft for it. If you paid less than $50 for it, then I think it's time for an upgrade. No good cue's were designed to be made shorter anyway (the same goes for fishing rods that get crushed in the car door).
Like Lew said about computers being a tool--replace it with one that works and enjoy your game.
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My suggestion was not meant to shorten the cue, only to see about finding an appropriate diameter tube or pipe that equals the existing OD and turn down the diameter of the tip enough to install it.
I agree that time spent is only worth it if this is something special.
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september.org:

Nothing special about the cue, except I like the feel. I know it's useless, but I'll keep playing with it here and there to see how it goes. Maybe I'll learn something useful... if not it's still fun to see the end go flying after a shot. (Same reason we'd keep playing with a baseball with missing seams.)
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DanG wrote:

If you know anything about squirt and deflection, you would not use a metal ferrule. You want the tip (last 6 inches) as light as possible.
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I don't see why a plastic or bone ferrule wouldn't do the same job.
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Bob La Londe wrote:

Recall too that a good installation of such a ferrule involves putting on an over-sized one and taking it down with a lathe. With a new tip, it would typically probably cost $30-40 to have that done. It sounds as if the original tenon is long gone (broken off), so a bit more work is required. If I owned a lathe, I would try to do it. Otherwise I'd be cue shopping (hardly an unpleasant affair). I don't recall exactly where the line in the sand is now, but I think anything over a certain amount, say $150, is all for show.
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Been a long time since I looked at pool cues, but the last time I looked the low end McDermott was about $117. You could get a Diamond for about $80, and a good quality Players for about $50. Never could bring myself to spring for a McDermott, but I had a Diamond, still have a Players, and had a number of the good old $39.95 Dufferin (carefully hand selected of course) cues over the years.
Flash back time: I'll never forget the poor guy who challenged me to basic $5 a game 8 ball once. I wasn't good, but I was better than him. After the 4th game he said it had to be my fancy pool cue, so I handed it to him covered my eyes and randomly grabbed a bar stick off the wall, and told him to put his money down. (I turned away from him so he wouldn't see the expression on my face when I discovered what I would be shooting with. LOL. I was thrilled it still had decent leather.) He took me up on it. I got one of those perfect one in a hundred spreads on the break and ran the table on him. He must have enjoyed the show because he was grinning when he handed me his fin. You just gotta love a good sport.
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Bob La Londe wrote:

Quite a collection of them here.
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/mcdermott/mcdermott_pool_cues.htm
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In all my years I've never seen a que break that much. I would look for something stronger than Titebond. Epoxy sounds like it would last.

I'd retire it too. Never could stand fiberglass cues. Never had the response that wood does, at least not for me.

Yard sales and pawn shops are good places to find old treasures, but it takes patience to find a real good one.

Agreed. The damage is done. Better to replace it.

I prefer a Gus Szamboti but they aren't cheap. Having known Gus and having him work on my cue was a priviledge. My second choice is a Mali, but they don't make them as good as they did decades ago.
I once saw/touched a Balabuska. It's like the Stradivarius of cues.
If you've played enough, you never loose your touch. It just takes a little practice to get back into the swing of things.
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The one on the left is almost dead on for my que, including the case. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item 0415243137&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
I should have bought several of Gus's cues back then. I'll never stop kicking myself for letting go too many good deals on those cues.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item 0415243137&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item 0415243137&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
LOL! Thanks. That would definitely get me playing full time again.
I kept meaning to catch up with Gus and ask him to teach me his craft. Was a time in there when I lost my day job and put a lot of time in at a local pool hall Gus frequented. Someone was always showing off their new Szamboti. I was all set to ask Guz is I could apprentice but that was about the time of his heart problem and surgery and I just couldn't bring myself to impose on him with his bad health. Boy do I regret that now. Been woodworking all kinds of other things for years and always keep wondering what I'd be doing today if I had learned that craft.
Wow. Now you've got me really remembering those days, all my practice, tourneys and such. Didn't realize how long it's been and how much I missed them. Now I'll have to make a trip back east just to see if the halls are still there, especially the Four Seasons where Steve Mizerak used to occasion. Even he is gone now, sadly. What memories. :) `Casper
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On 8/20/2010 8:02 AM, Casper wrote:

While in college and young testerone charged youth, I played in college tournaments, and whipped up on the traveling salesman at the local beer joints playing nine ball. AAMOF, Used to practice my straight pool game on the snooker tables at the Texas A&M bowling and billiards in the MSC (was the student manager of same for a couple of years), won a few tournaments, a good deal of cash, and actually got pretty good at tournament three cushion billiards, mainly for the fun of it.
But Sheeeeesh! Back then the coveted pool cue was a "Willi Mosconi", and I have NEVER even heard of any of the above, so times have indeed changed. :)

I thought/was hoping so too, until Leon and our wives played a few games last year at a local billiard hall. My fingers wouldn't bend enough to make a decent bridge, and when looking over my trifocals I couldn't even see the damn object ball!
So, yes Mable ... you do lose your touch, eventually. :(
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I could have made money at it if I didn't drink. But I almost always came home with the same amount of money I left with, or more, had a good time, and bought lots of drinks for myself and the entourage.
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Yeah, I did college tourneys too. Feels like a century ago. I even remember when a local community college once got a hustler in during the evening classes trying to sap moeny from the students. The director of activities knew me well and called me to come in, check him out and, if possible, get him to leave. Sure enough there was a guy in his early forties pretending to be a night student hustling from the night classes. I watched him a couple of days, then one night got there before him and was playing. He offered to play and teach me. After several games he asked if I ever played for money. A couple of games later he was winning a $10 or $20 here and there. An hour later we were at $50. A bit later $100 and then I started winning. Last game I cleared the table straight away, put my cue down, looked at him and told him wrong turf. He realized I wasn't just a student either. Heh.. but the other students were happy and got a real kick out of it. I was just glad he took that well and just moved on to something outside of colleges and poor students.

That is a while ago.I haven't seen a Mosconi in a very long time. I loved Mosconi. He was always the best player in my mind.

Guess I'm luckier than most yet. Still got most of my eyesight and I keep my fingers going all the time. Yeah I've got my share of arthritis, but it's more in my spine than anywhere else. A few years ago I stopped at a new local pool hall just to relax and see how I'd do. I figured I'd be awful, but to my surprise, I was doing pretty damn good after about an hour. Guess my turn will come tho, someday, hopefully not too soon. ;) `Casper
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