I am about to start making the cabinets I have been asking questions
about. Knowing that once started the base cabinets I am committed to
the project, I realized that my doors were hinged on the wrong side so
that would severely limit the ease of which to get stuff off the
sliding shelves of the "hidden" part of the cabinet.
No big deal, one might say, just change the sides that the hinges are
on. Well true, but there are certain inherent limitations there, like
a maximum of a 105 deg hinge without serious degrading of the open
size of the doorway to the cabinet.
Racking my brain for a solution I thought about a pocket door and came
up with a hybrid solution that would probable only lose 1/2 inch on
the width of the drawers for it. I looked on the net, found nothing.
So I came up with a design idea. It would even enhance to opening to
the cabinet making it all much easier to use than I thought possible.
I am wondering if anyone has seen such a critter, tried it, and the
life expectancy for such a door. I haven't as yet put it into a
drawing in Sketch, but it won't be difficult to do. I did sketch in on
I could use the same design on three of my cabinets, they would look
like inset doors to the naked eye, and if used would I then be
committed to making all drawers and doors inset as well?
I would appreciate any and all comments.
My comment is, if it works and solves a problem, why not?
The only problem I can think of is that pocket doors require a pocket and
pockets take up room. The life expetancy would be the same as for any other
door...depends upon how well it was made and how badly it is abused.
Tambour doors can solve problems too but are rather fussy to make.
What is a "Tambour" door?
A tambour door is a roll up door (or maybe roll to the side).
Conventionally, it is made by gluing thin, narrow strips of wood to heavy
canvas. The edges of the strips are 1/4 round or beveled so that the canvas
can bend. The ends of the strips ride in slots in end pieces attached to
the cabinet or desk.
You can also buy tambour door hardware, and pre-assembled tambour doors
and cut to size.
How it's installed:
I remember these, beautiful and looking rock solid.
I never changed my mind so fast, I just replied to DadiOH saying I
didn't think they were reliable, given the desktop thoughts, even
though I always thought they were slick as a kid.
It is a good option. Thanks.
After all, there are some 200 year old roll top desks still going strong.
While care in use would obviously be cautioned in a kitchen base
cabinet, I did one install years back in the kitchen of a recording
studio. It was as a retrofit in place of two top drawers, with a regular
door on the bottom half. Thought it looked great, and the mechanisms
have come a long way since then.
Also saw a bath vanity on Houzz just recently with tambour doors, so it
is not unheard of.
Not just the hinge, but the adjoining cabinet or dishwasher, etc.
IOW's only half of a 48" cabinet is visible as half of it is covered
by another cabinet, or dishwasher. In my case if the door is hinged on
the left (for a hidden cabinet on the left side) then when the door is
open it is in the way or partially blocking the door from fully
opening. The oven handles prevent a 160 deg hinge and there is from
what I see limitations of the actions of hidden hinges.
If the door is hinged on the right, then anything past 105 degree's
will hit the adjoining dishwasher, plus you have the width of the
stile to consider and it looks like the best you can get is a 20" door
I'm probably not explaining this well. I have to go out for a bit,
when I get back I can post a pic of a standard setup which would
probably help a lot.
I missed the part about inset. An inset door is flush to the face frame
which precludes it being a pocket door.
By "inset", did you mean BEHIND the face frame? Must be since you are
thinking "pocket". I can't imagine where you plan to put the pockets though
nor how you expect that pocket to not block other things.
Esthetically, to me, everything should be the same whether overlay,
partially inset or inset.
I think, if I'm envisioning things correctly, he has an L shaped
block of cabinets. At the bend of the L there's a space that's
basically inaccessible, into which he's going to put drawers
which can be pulled into the adjacent cabinet space (i.e. in
either the long or short leg of the L). So the pocket for the
door would go into that space where the drawers are, and the
drawers would be proportionally narrower.
I think he can make the pocket door flush to the face frame,
because the pocket itself will be in the face frame that's on
the other leg of the L.
Before I tried something like that, tho, I think I'd exhaust
all possibilities for hinges. Things in kitchens are more prone
to warp than most places, and warp in a pocket door could lead
to a very annoying bind.
Yes, the door would appear as if it were a normal inset door for all
intents and purposes. It is a hybrid pocket door in that when the door
is slid back it is not seen because of the cabinet next to it hides
the back half.
In the FF.
That is what I thought, that there would be no getting around it,
When I get back I'll post a drawing or two.
First, let's get our terminology in synch. What is "hidden" about the
Are you talking about a "blind corner cabinet"?
As Leon mentioned, there are many different hinge options to chose from
with varying degrees of opening and clearance.
_Always_ shop for your hardware FIRST.
Once you know the dimensions/installation parameters for the hardware,
then use those to design your cabinet to accommodate the hardware.
As always, as long as you are pleased with the design, and it does not
detract from future sale, go for it ...
Although I've used pocket doors on many cabinets, the only example I
have a photo of is in my office ... mounting this one horizontally, gave
me more room in the interior for a sliding shelf:
And yes, cabinet "pocket doors" can be installed as "inset", as you can
Again, the hardware is tricky to install (often requires the installer
to fabricate a "follow strip" of a particular dimension), so it is
imperative to carefully incorporate all the hardware requirements into
the cabinet design.
You can usually find a link to "installation guide" online for most
cabinet hardware on the same page as ordering info.
You are right, my mistake. I think I picked it up from You tube
It has been driving me batty, Trying to find hinges that won't
interfere with drawers, won't stand off to far on FF's and especially
when trying to find hidden hinges for doors with an insert and 1/2"
lap on the FF. I forget what they are called. It is what I currently
have and I like the idea of shutting off the cabinets from dust n
stuff. I have seen some cabinet doors that literally stand off the FF
about 3/8 of an inch or more. Spill anything on the counter top and
into the cabinets it will go.
Plus with lack of experience working with them and asking people who
work in the stores selling them who have even less of a clue than I
and its like hitting a stone wall.
Plus my wife would like hidden hinges.
Yes, I have downloaded a few, and looked especially at the
measurements. I understand now that a certain distance must be
maintained between the ff and the door so the door can swivel without
hitting the cabinet. But then they often stick out from the stile 5/8
of an inch or thereabouts on each side.
Today one manufacturer said I could place then anywhere from 2 to 6
inches from the bottom of the cabinet, or top which means that slide
out shelves with a 2 inch or so sides should work.
I've asked so many questions already, that I hate asking more, when I
haven't put all I have learned into practice yet. So I thought I'd at
least do one blind corner cabinet first and then follow suit with
whatever hinges and slides I came up with.
The lumber store I just found is closing its doors here in town for
now but staying open elsewhere. At least they will still deliver what
I need. but they were short on hardware, and Wood craft is really not
much better as to having anything in stock to look at.
I've been considering going to a Rocker store about 70 miles away and
bugging them for info on the hardware.
Can't emphasize enough the advantages of making the middle stile in a
BCC wide enough to give you some wiggle room in placement.
Doing so can be worth its weight in gold, and can literally save the
day. DAMHIKT ;)
I understand that. It is part of the reason for a sliding door
In your drawing the door opening was 21 inches, and with the way
things are here it looked like anything more than 20 inches I'd be
gambling big time.
^^^^^^ I can't for the life of me figure that one out.
Hope it isn't super simple. :)
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